Hoi,
As more and more conditions are piled up, bias is not reduced but induced.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 09:55, <[email protected]> wrote:
> I see a gradual shift from open news articles to articles behind
> paywall, that I guess must be a natural adjustment of the income model
> as newspapers transition from paper to the Internet. Good article,
> suitable for sources in Wikipedia and Wikidata, will probably more and
> more likely be behind paywalls. We need to get use to that and it has
> also been the case for books - to some degree - for a long time.
>
> The Internet Archive, tools like Andy Mabbett refers to and the
> 'archive-url' parameter for (the English) Wikipedia's cite news template
> as well as Wikidata's P1065 may be a good solution, but we may also keep
> in mind that it might not be sustainable copyright-wise in the long
> term, cf. discussions around controlled lending and Society of Authors'
> concerns
>
> https://publishingperspectives.com/2019/01/copyright-battle-internet-archives-open-library-authors-guild-society-of-authors/
> (not currently behind paywall :)
>
> /Finn
>
>
> On 12/11/2019 08:17, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > It depends. When you approach it from a scientific point of view, you
> > write your paper and are personally responsible for what you write. The
> > bias of your paper may include the effort you take to verify sources. In
> > Wikipedia it is NOT your paper and it is NOT only your responsibility.
> > At the opposite end are the papers in the language you do not understand
> > and consequently not accepted as a source, there are the papers, books
> > that have not been
> >
> > So a Wikipedia is biased because of the limiting of sources and as it is
> > NOT a personal responsibility, there is also the notion if we should
> > accept the bias that limiting brings.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 08:03, Andra Waagmeester <[email protected]
> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >
> > I don't if I agree with "just citing" the newspaper article. Why not
> > push for resolvable citations if we have the technology? There is
> > not much value in a citation if you can't access the source to
> > verify, don't you think?
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 6:38 AM Wynand van der Walt
> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >
> > I like what Andy is doing, As a librarian, however, an
> > alternative would be to only cite the newspaper without the URL
> > as this analog citation would be valid, meaning just cite the
> > newspaper article.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Wynand van der Walt
> > Head Librarian: Technical Services
> > Rhodes University Library
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 7:28 PM Andy Mabbett
> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 16:44, PWN
> > <[email protected]
> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >
> > > I’m constantly encountering newspaper articles that have
> > disappeared from Google and
> > > are no longer viewable or even discoverable via Google.
> > > They are often the sole reference url for statements, yet
> > are behind a paywall - notably
> > > newspapers.com <http://newspapers.com>.
> > > How is the community handling the paywalling of
> > historical newspaper resources?
> >
> > Whenever I cite something on Wikidata, or Wikipedia, I
> > submit a copy
> > to the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine using the add-on
> for
> > Firefox:
> >
> > https://github.com/jonathanmccann/archive-url-firefox-addon
> >
> > --
> > Andy Mabbett
> > @pigsonthewing
> > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
> >
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