Oh, BTW.. I hope you're not thinking I am poo pooing the K12 project! Not at all! In fact I have already forwarded the story onto a number of people. I especially like the fact that it is more student generated. Just checking that you aren't relating my highlight of a particular way of describing the Wikieducator mission as some how being a criticism of K12 project. Not at all. Its just me being greedy and dominating the thread with other issues - sorry
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Leigh Blackall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Hi Peter, > > You said: > >> I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an >> international set >> of educators together to create a free curriculum >> > > Now I'm worried (though I'm relieved you dance :) "a free curriculum", > surely a slip of the tongue Peter? > > The Internet is bringing (not just) educators together. I worry about > "educators" who feel they need something like Wikieducator to bring them > together, or that Wikieducator is the thing that is doing what the Internet > has been doing all along. > > An answer to your challenge Peter: *The Internet* (international network) > is the platform (that includes Wikieducator) that is bringing an > international set of educators together to offer up and develop free > curricula. The other great thing about that is that the wall between > learning and life is breaking down. > > I am trying to look at Wikieducator as one of many "tools" or services > available to me for publishing media and information, and connect with like > minded people and networks. It is a small piece loosely > joined<http://www.smallpieces.com/>. > Trouble is it takes up far more of my time than the other free tools, > because of its demands around community, collaboration, governance, and its > tendency to centralise our efforts and not allow easy embedding and > distribution. As a wiki tool it has very useful features (such as > print-to-pdf), and a number of annoying ones such as not offering an easy > way to backup my work. > > My OER work (along with millions of other "educators") is distributed > across the Internet, and as a result is networked and relavent. Wordpress, > Blogger, Youtube, Blip.tv, GoogleDocs, Archive.org, Wikispaces, Wikipedia, > Wikiversity, Flickr, Picasa Web Galleries, and various other minor sites. It > is the Internet that brings us OER, and I'm trying to remind you/us of that > - less we fall into a trap of becoming over reliant on Wikieducator, too > caught up in its rhetoric, and end up centralising and locking ourselves in. > Do you feel the lock in? I do.. time to dance and shake it off a bit. > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Leigh, >> >> With all due respect, Not that I disagree with what you are saying its >> just that I think you need a new pair of glasses. You seem to be >> reading a lot into things and being overly pessimistic about good >> works. In the big navel gazing world we live in, it is good people are >> putting efforts into projects like WE. We may not have it right in >> some peoples views, but at least we are engaged and I challenge you to >> point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set >> of educators together to create a free curriculum (with a good set of >> the tools and a vision for it to be localized). And through time, I >> hope we end up where things have become flatter and flatter. >> >> "Be the change you want to see in the world" - Mahatma >> >> I'm gettin' worried about you Leigh. >> Watch me dance if you want some playful distraction; >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQz51pH5cpw >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nlxrJ16cMY >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lakvIXEH2iU >> >> In one of our dances we were jamin' with a didgeridoo >> >> Be Well... >> >> Peter >> >> >> On Nov 4, 2:46 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Hi Peter, I really like the spin on the wording that that journo has >> done: >> > >> > WikiEducator looks like Wikipedia. In fact, it uses the same software. >> And, >> > >> > > like the online encyclopedia, its mission is ambitious. It seeks to >> put all >> > > the world's educational materials online and make them freely >> available to >> > > everyone on the planet by the year 2015. >> > >> > We shoudl copy that and replace all "one curriculum" sounding lines >> straight >> > away. >> > >> > Only trouble is, that "ambitious" mission is already happening. >> Everything >> > is going online, huge amounts of it freely (in terms of copyright), just >> not >> > all of it is being centralised on Wikieducator. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Randy Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > > Hi Nellie, >> > >> > > Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea.... >> > >> > > What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who >> > > decided....maybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and >> > > collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme.... >> > >> > > This could be accomplished in several days....just as a conference >> runs in >> > > terms of time.... >> > >> > > Thoughts, ideas? >> > >> > > - Randy >> > >> > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH < >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > >> Peter, >> > >> This is a wiki. You are more than welcome to anything that my >> students and >> > >> I have added. You may add to it and place it or replace it, add to >> it, and >> > >> place it where you think it would be appropriate. I would love for >> someone >> > >> to finally play around with the wiki pages like they would with >> modeling >> > >> clay. >> > >> Warm wishes, >> > >> Nellie Deutsch >> > >> Doctoral Student >> > >> Educational Leadership >> > >> Curriculum and Instruction >> > >>http://www.nelliemuller.com >> > >>http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd >> > >>http://www.building-relationship.com/education >> > >>http://blendedlear.ning.com >> > >>http://connecting-online.ning.com >> > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > >>> Thanks Nellie, >> > >> > >>> I look forward to the review of this project early next summer to >> see >> > >>> how we did in relation to what we have aspired to do... So far it >> has >> > >>> been exceeding my expectations. I certianly hope we can meet our >> > >>> definition of success; >> > >>> >> http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/IPS_Statement_of_Work#What_... >> > >> > >>> Could I encourage you to add your project to the student generated >> > >>> content portal? >> > >>> >> http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac... >> > >> > >>> Peter >> > >> > >>> On Nov 4, 1:51 pm, "NELLIE DEUTSCH" < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >>> wrote: >> > >>> > Peter, >> > >>> > The news item is very impressive. 64 of grade 12 students students >> are >> > >>> > interested in collaborating with students from other countries. So >> far, >> > >>> I >> > >>> > managed to find a school in Washington, DC for 32 of my grade 11 >> > >>> students. I >> > >>> > would like to see a lot more high school kids on WE. >> > >>> > Warm wishes, >> > >>> > Nellie Deutsch >> > >>> > Doctoral Student >> > >>> > Educational Leadership >> > >>> > Curriculum and Instructionhttp://www.nelliemuller.comhttp:// >> > >>> >> www.integrating-technology.com/pdhttp://www.building-relationship.com... >> > >> > >>> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >>> > > Hello All, >> > >> > >>> > > The K12 project I have been working on got some unexpected media >> > >>> > > exposure... puts WE into some good light. >> > >> > >>> >> http://www.canada.com/northshorenews/story.html?id=bfe6fdde-f3c8-4994... >> > >> > >>> > > I know I'm not alone in this effort (Nellie, Gunther, Others). >> So I >> > >>> > > was thinking for all those others encouraging student generated >> K12 >> > >>> > > content they should add thier projects to the very new (and >> under- >> > >>> > > developed) portal... >> > >> > >>> >> http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac... >> > >> > >>> > > Cheers, Peter- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > >>> > - Show quoted text - >> > >> > > -- >> > > ________________ >> > > Randy Fisher - Change Management & Collaboration, Human Performance & >> > > Engagement, Sustainable Communities & Organizations >> > >> > > * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizations....and >> > > WikiEducator! >> > >> > > + 1 604.684.2275 >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >http://www.wikieducator.org >> > >http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media >> > >http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher >> > >> > > * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY >> > >> > > * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki?http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki >> > >> > > Skype: wikirandy >> > >> > -- >> > -- >> > Leigh Blackall >> > +64(0)21736539 >> > skype - leigh_blackall >> > SL - Leroy Goalposthttp://learnonline.wordpress.comhttp:// >> www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > Leigh Blackall > +64(0)21736539 > skype - leigh_blackall > SL - Leroy Goalpost > http://learnonline.wordpress.com > http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall > -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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