Wow!!!! Truely enlightened words Leigh. All that stone throwing really paid off, eh. Seriously. This is an amazing list, I am in full support of every point. And in regards to point 9. I vote for differentiating ourselves radically from a MediaWiki Foundation model. We do need to become very Web2.0. Being very loosely coupled so to encourage the addition of good extensions while providing preference to no partner. I sometimes think we should branch from MediaWiki... that's a different discussion...
Go, Leigh, Go... I really liked the ski boot dance... Be Well! Peter On Nov 5, 12:26 am, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Leo, thanks for joining in, it is very nice to hear from you! Its been quite > a while. > Peter, you can see my wife and I dance the wiki > jig<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AArrfX9jrlw>that Randy started, and > most recently, here > I go <http://flickr.com/photos/leighblackall/3004204811/> over the weekend > in the mountains. Embarrassing! > > How would we develop a more networked approach? Here's a big hot air balloon > to spit ball... > > 1. We would tone down (turn off) the Wikieducator talk, and talk up the > projects on Wikieducator. > 2. Make more of Steve and Miinhaaj's monthly User award. Do Randy's > suggestion of "Project of the Month". Set up a Wikieducator blog and assign > guest writers. Hold monthly webconferences to hear from the people behind > the Project of the Month. > 3. Stop using rhetoric and competitive data about building a Wikieducator > community or family and spend energy promoting and celebrating the projects > and the individuals behind them. > 4. Discourage celebrity and singular voices that speak as though on > behalf of Wikieducator - such voices should be almost impossible to find. > 5. Who founded Wikieducator, or what international agency gives money is > not as significant (merely historical) when compared to the significance of > the projects and individual efforts on the platform. > 6. The people who keep Wikieducator ticking over should be seen to be > anonymous, humble and serving the wishes of the Users and not the desires > for some sort of governance policy or complex agenda. Admin should NEVER be > seen to be defensive (or have others defend on their behalf) and certainly > never argue with the Users or require anything from them other than > feedback. Turn off LQT or implement the suggestions immediately, unless the > User's it was apparently installed for speak up. And above all, admin > people > should never have an agenda other than to serve the wishes of each and > every > User as though they were highly valued paying customers > 7. We should develop a MediaWiki that is contemporary Internet (like > Chris Harvey's SuperUser, Brian Lamb's embed a wiki, and Tony Hurst mashup. > 8. Add obviously good extensions like widgets and embedded media and work > hard at 2 way mashup data, improved support for RSS, streamlined media > cross > uploads, use Archive.org, Blip.tv and any other media service that supports > Creative Commons licensing) > 9. Either become Wikiversity, or distance Wikieducator radically from the > Wikimedia Foundation model. An educational wiki is very different to an > encyclopedia or any other reference project. (I propose a very Web2 > MediaWiki and minimal government as a point of difference) > 10. And just to round it off to 10, encourage truely shared ownership, by > supporting and encouraging individuals to run their own fundraising > campaigns to develop projects that improve Wikieducator. So make it > possible > for people to set up a development version > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Leigh, > > > I guess we are in non-violent agreement then... ahhhhh so were back to > > the collaborative networky thing... so what does it take to build a > > node on the network? Is WE just going through the "standard" lifecycle > > of becoming a node? > > > Now, I want to see you dance! > > > Peter > > > On Nov 4, 4:36 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Peter, > > > > You said: > > > > > I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an > > > > international set > > > > of educators together to create a free curriculum > > > > Now I'm worried (though I'm relieved you dance :) "a free curriculum", > > > surely a slip of the tongue Peter? > > > > The Internet is bringing (not just) educators together. I worry about > > > "educators" who feel they need something like Wikieducator to bring them > > > together, or that Wikieducator is the thing that is doing what the > > Internet > > > has been doing all along. > > > > An answer to your challenge Peter: *The Internet* (international network) > > is > > > the platform (that includes Wikieducator) that is bringing an > > international > > > set of educators together to offer up and develop free curricula. The > > other > > > great thing about that is that the wall between learning and life is > > > breaking down. > > > > I am trying to look at Wikieducator as one of many "tools" or services > > > available to me for publishing media and information, and connect with > > like > > > minded people and networks. It is a small piece loosely > > > joined<http://www.smallpieces.com/>. > > > Trouble is it takes up far more of my time than the other free tools, > > > because of its demands around community, collaboration, governance, and > > its > > > tendency to centralise our efforts and not allow easy embedding and > > > distribution. As a wiki tool it has very useful features (such as > > > print-to-pdf), and a number of annoying ones such as not offering an easy > > > way to backup my work. > > > > My OER work (along with millions of other "educators") is distributed > > across > > > the Internet, and as a result is networked and relavent. Wordpress, > > Blogger, > > > Youtube, Blip.tv, GoogleDocs, Archive.org, Wikispaces, Wikipedia, > > > Wikiversity, Flickr, Picasa Web Galleries, and various other minor sites. > > It > > > is the Internet that brings us OER, and I'm trying to remind you/us of > > that > > > - less we fall into a trap of becoming over reliant on Wikieducator, too > > > caught up in its rhetoric, and end up centralising and locking ourselves > > in. > > > Do you feel the lock in? I do.. time to dance and shake it off a bit. > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Leigh, > > > > > With all due respect, Not that I disagree with what you are saying its > > > > just that I think you need a new pair of glasses. You seem to be > > > > reading a lot into things and being overly pessimistic about good > > > > works. In the big navel gazing world we live in, it is good people are > > > > putting efforts into projects like WE. We may not have it right in > > > > some peoples views, but at least we are engaged and I challenge you to > > > > point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set > > > > of educators together to create a free curriculum (with a good set of > > > > the tools and a vision for it to be localized). And through time, I > > > > hope we end up where things have become flatter and flatter. > > > > > "Be the change you want to see in the world" - Mahatma > > > > > I'm gettin' worried about you Leigh. > > > > Watch me dance if you want some playful distraction; > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQz51pH5cpw > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nlxrJ16cMY > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lakvIXEH2iU > > > > > In one of our dances we were jamin' with a didgeridoo > > > > > Be Well... > > > > > Peter > > > > > On Nov 4, 2:46 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Peter, I really like the spin on the wording that that journo has > > > > done: > > > > > > WikiEducator looks like Wikipedia. In fact, it uses the same > > software. > > > > And, > > > > > > > like the online encyclopedia, its mission is ambitious. It seeks to > > put > > > > all > > > > > > the world's educational materials online and make them freely > > available > > > > to > > > > > > everyone on the planet by the year 2015. > > > > > > We shoudl copy that and replace all "one curriculum" sounding lines > > > > straight > > > > > away. > > > > > > Only trouble is, that "ambitious" mission is already happening. > > > > Everything > > > > > is going online, huge amounts of it freely (in terms of copyright), > > just > > > > not > > > > > all of it is being centralised on Wikieducator. > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Randy Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Nellie, > > > > > > > Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea.... > > > > > > > What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who > > > > > > decided....maybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and > > > > > > collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme.... > > > > > > > This could be accomplished in several days....just as a conference > > runs > > > > in > > > > > > terms of time.... > > > > > > > Thoughts, ideas? > > > > > > > - Randy > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH < > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >> Peter, > > > > > >> This is a wiki. You are more than welcome to anything that my > > students > > > > and > > > > > >> I have added. You may add to it and place it or replace it, add to > > it, > > > > and > > > > > >> place it where you think it would be appropriate. I would love for > > > > someone > > > > > >> to finally play around with the wiki pages like they would with > > > > modeling > > > > > >> clay. > > > > > >> Warm wishes, > > > > > >> Nellie Deutsch > > > > > >> Doctoral Student > > > > > >> Educational Leadership > > > > > >> Curriculum and Instruction > > > > > >>http://www.nelliemuller.com > > > > > >>http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd > > > > > >>http://www.building-relationship.com/education > > > > > >>http://blendedlear.ning.com > > > > > >>http://connecting-online.ning.com > > > > > > >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > >>> Thanks Nellie, > > > > > > >>> I look forward to the review of this project early next summer to > > see > > > > > >>> how we did in relation to what we have aspired to do... So far it > > has > > > > > >>> been exceeding my expectations. I certianly hope we can meet our > > > > > >>> definition of success; > > > > >http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/IPS_Statement_of_Work#What_. > > .. > > > > > > >>> Could I encourage you to add your project to the student > > generated > > > > > >>> content portal? > > > > >http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac. > > .. > > > > > > >>> Peter > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
