Hi All, In my view, the purpose of the WYSIWYG option, is to remove (1) a barrier to entry; and (2) an objection to using the wiki.
Once people get the 'hang of the wiki', and more into the 'community' then they may be more likely to want to check 'under the hood'. This could also be an area for research. Either way, the real objective is to increase open education content development, and I say, that this is a step in the right direction. Glad we're having this conversation. - Randy On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:05 AM, john stampe <jwsta...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I would note that there actually is a third group of users (in addition to > programmers and non-programmers) and that is what is often called power > users (I would include myself in that group). By that I mean people who are > not programmers (with the exception of shell scripts), but you like to get > the most out of their computers - or in the WE context, want to get the most > out of the wiki syntax. > > As for teaching wiki syntax I usually do not think of it as "programming > behind WYSIWYG", but rather initially looking at what is really happening > "under the hood". For example, what actually happens when you click the bold > button. The term programming sometimes as a tendency to put off people. From > here you can then go to "cool things" as you put it, to which I would also > add efficiency. > > Cheers, > John > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Maria Droujkova <droujk...@gmail.com> > *To:* wikieducator@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:12:14 PM > *Subject:* [WikiEducator] Re: Community update - WikiEducator, OER > Foundation etc. > > > Are there studies on what populations prefer one way or another? I > suspect it depends on personal technology history and general > programming experience. In my very limited experience, most > programmers prefer wiki code and most people without other programming > experience prefer WYSIWYG. I also suspect it depends on whether people > like keyboard shortcuts in general, or use menus with their mice. > People who like to click on icons are probably less likely to prefer > typing code to make something bold or italic. > > How do you experienced wiki teachers help someone already knowing > WYSIWYG text editors and wanting to learn wiki code? > > My first instinct is to teach wiki code as "programming behind > WYSIWYG" first - that's how you program bold, that's how you program > titles, and then - that's how you do cool new things only wiki code > lets you do, such as inclusions. > > -- > Cheers, > MariaD > > Make math your own, to make your own math. > > http://www.naturalmath.com social math site > http://groups.google.com/group/naturalmath math authoring for kids email > group > http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Wayne Mackintosh > <mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Nellie, > > > > I agree -- personally I prefer editing using wiki syntax. > > > > The ability to edit in both ways (i.e. WYSIWYG and wiki syntax) would > need > > to be specified as a requirement. Currently te FCKeditor extension for > > Mediawiki enables authors to edit using standard wiki text. > > > > We need to research the implications of setting the default choice in > user > > preferences. > > > > Rest assured -- we'll keep the WE family posted with proper consultation. > > This would also have implications for our training support which we'll > need > > to factor into the plans. > > > > Cheers > > Wayne > > > > > > > > 2009/5/12 NELLIE DEUTSCH <nellie.muller.deut...@gmail.com> > >> > >> Wayne and Maria, > >> I would to be able to edit in both ways, if WE decides to add WYSIWYG. > >> Thank you. > >> Warm wishes, > >> Nellie Deutsch > >> Doctoral Student > >> Educational Leadership > >> Curriculum and Instruction > >> > >> You are invited to join educators for a free 5-day online workshop on > >> how to integrate technology into the classroom and collaborate with > >> educators around the world: > >> http://www.wikieducator.org/EL4C25/Register > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Wayne Mackintosh > >> <mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > Hi Maria, > >> > > >> > I'm very excited about the new prospects for WE. We have a solid > >> > foundations > >> > to take our project to new levels -- and you're right, WE is an > amazing > >> > community! > >> > > >> > I'm glad you found our open proposal useful for your own grant writing > >> > process --- by sharing we reduce duplication of effort and make a > small > >> > contribution to sustainability and more effective utilisation of > scarce > >> > resources in education. > >> > > >> > Pioneered by the Shuttleworth foundation and the compelling insights > of > >> > Mark > >> > Surman -- Open Philanthropy makes a lot of sense -- the concept of > "open > >> > sourcing" philanthropy is very powerful. Take a look at how the > >> > Shuttleworth > >> > foundation have implemented the concepts (See: > http://tinyurl.com/p3pvft > >> > ). > >> > I'm keen for us at WE to build on these experiences. > >> > > >> > Always interested in collobarting -- thanks for the offer re WYSIWYG > >> > editing. Let's explore this further. The FCKeditor extension for > >> > Mediawiki > >> > has matured over the last couple of months --- particularly with the > >> > activity and contributions from Wikia. Once we've migrated to our > Phase > >> > 2 > >> > hosting solution, the next step is to seriously research the > >> > implementation > >> > of a rich text editing solution for WE -- along with the development > and > >> > refinement in our policy guidelines for new technologies. > >> > > >> > I think WYSIWYG will potentially lower the barriers of entry for many > >> > educators -- there have been numerous requests for WYSIWYG editing > from > >> > our > >> > community -- let's see if we can respond appropriately :-). > >> > > >> > Cheers > >> > Wayne > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2009/5/11 Maria Droujkova <droujk...@gmail.com> > >> >> > >> >> Wayne, > >> >> > >> >> These are all great news. I am so happy for you and WE! It's a great > >> >> community. > >> >> > >> >> I would like to thank you for opening your proposal building process. > >> >> I am working on an SBIR grant for Natural Math for the Family Studies > >> >> supporting software I discussed on the list earlier, and your > proposal > >> >> is quite helpful. I will be happy to share ours if you think it would > >> >> be of use to others. > >> >> > >> >> Speaking of which, our wiki parts have a WYSIWYG editor that works > >> >> pretty well, including picture upload and inserting widgets (e.g. > >> >> youtube video). If it would help your efforts to collaborate on this > >> >> or other parts of your endeavors, please let me know. > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Wayne Mackintosh > >> >> <mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > Hi everyone, > >> >> > > >> >> > At last -- a long overdue update. > > > > > -- ________________ Randy Fisher MA, OMD * Change Management, Learning & Performance * Stakeholder Engagement & Community-Building * Organization Design & Development * Coaching & Facilitation * Open Education/E-Learning + 1 604.684.2275 (Pacific Time) wikira...@gmail.com http://www.wikieducator.org - Member, WikiEducator Community Council http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy "Open Education is a Sustainable & Renewable Resource. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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