Hi Sebastian, Copyright can be confusing and to be fair it is a complex topic -- particularly when we think about the values of education and how best to create win-win solutions for all stakeholders.
As Randy mentioned in a previous post, WE has started a project which aims to develop guidelines and support resources to assist educators and institutions in taking informed decisions about open content licenses from an education perspective. The OER Foundation is working collaboratively with the OpenCouseware Consortium, Creative Commoners and members from CCCOER to develop a short online workshop about copyright in education. The OER Foundation will secure funding so that we can present these workshops at no cost for educators around the world. See: http://wikieducator.org/Open_Content_Licensing/Home If anyone is interested in contributing in any way to this project --- please add your name to the list here: http://wikieducator.org/Open_Content_Licensing/Participants Cheers Wayne On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Sebastian Panakal < [email protected]> wrote: > Interesting discussion going on here. Just by lurking, I am learning about > copyright and copyleft, publishers/creators dilemmas, the works. Thank WE, I > am a part of this all > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:59 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you for the encouraging words about my abilities. I am glad that >> arrangements are in the works for those doing open texts to have the kind of >> resources Allyn and Bacon has given me. I was also interested to know that >> commercial publishers can print and sell materials that are copyrighted >> under open licenses...as I understand this whole arrangement better I will >> share it with my editor...It seems like a great idea...If I understand it >> right, the material could be produced by an author, released under an open >> license, a publisher could add bells and whistles like pictures, study >> guides, etc. etc. and sell the book for the value added. One issue, >> however, might be that from what I have seen the actual payment to authors >> is a relatively small part of publishing costs or overhead and/or profit >> margin. I am really not sure but I think an author's return on a text like >> mine is $4 to $5 per book for every $100 students pay. >> >> From talking to my editor I know that commercial publishing is undergoing >> a revolution. I hope that there is someway to make this work reasonably for >> everyone without greediness from anyone. I like the Gandhi quote: "The >> earth has enough for everyone's need, but not everyone's greed." Yours in >> the work of making all the world's knowledge available to all the world's >> people. Joyce >> >> [email protected] wrote: ----- >> >> To: [email protected] >> From: Wayne Mackintosh >> Sent by: [email protected] >> Date: 10/05/2010 04:21AM >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When >> publishers don't do what they say they intend to do >> >> Hi Joyce, >> >> I promised further comment and some of these thoughts link up with >> Stephens reflections: >> >> >> 1. Joyce you hold a PhD and have extensive life experience covering >> the text of the book you are writing. The fact that the publisher issued a >> contract for you to author the text is a testament to your knowledge and >> experience in the field. The publisher would not have issued the contract >> unless you had the prerequisite skills combined with the potential for >> reasonable market return, either directly from your text or indirectly by >> increasing sales of other texts. >> 2. The value added services and skills like editing, visual design etc >> are not exclusive to the publishing industry. Open communities like >> WikiEducator (and other open projects) can provide these services as well. >> I don't buy the argument that these services are the competitive and >> exclusive advantage of publishers. In time, as a non-profit entity -- the >> OER Foundation will be in a position to pay for these services as we >> build a >> free knowledge ecosystem. >> 3. The open (libre) content movement does not wish to exclude >> individuals (or publishers) from earning a living -- they are free to >> package and sell free content in traditional print formats with the >> understanding that there will always be a free (no cost and libre) digital >> version of the texts available for other educators, learners and other >> publishers to use without restriction, By the same token,the OER >> Foundation >> has no issue with paying authors to develop content as long as it is >> released under a free cultural works approved license. So for example, the >> WikiEducator project paid consultants to develop the wiki tutorials we use >> to provide free training for educators around the world -- on condition >> that >> the tutorials were released as OER in open file formats. >> >> As professional educators -- we have the authority and freedom to say *NO >> *to all-rights reserved texts we author and produce. In WikiEducator, >> when we develop OER -- publishers are free to use our materials as long as >> they don't restrict the freedom of others to do so as well. The free culture >> and the open web will develop a sustainable production model around OER --- >> and we invite everyone to join us in achieving these objectives. >> >> A more sustainable planet for all :-). >> >> Watch this space ... we will make OER futures happen! >> >> Cheers >> Wayne >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:27 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Wayne: I know I am late in inquiring about this, but I am a little >>> confused about how the publisher will gain from offering this book under a >>> free license. The reason I am asking is that I am under contract to write a >>> comprehensive community organizing textbook for Pearson/Allyn and Bacon a >>> very large US publisher. My editor has offered me her time and wonderful >>> resources that I could not possibly have had were I doing this project on my >>> own and I don't begrudge them their fair share of any proceeds, but I would >>> like my work to be readily available especially in developing countries, so >>> I am confused about how I might meet my publisher's needs to make a >>> reasonable return on all they have invested in the book and in me as a >>> writer while still being fair to indigent readers. I hope this question >>> makes sense. Joyce McKnight SUNY/Empire State College, Member of the OER >>> Foundation. >>> >>> [email protected] wrote: ----- >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> From: Wayne Mackintosh >>> Sent by: [email protected] >>> Date: 09/14/2010 01:03AM >>> Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When >>> publishers don't do what they say they intend to do >>> >>> >>> Hi Gene, >>> >>> Thanks for the note -- with every mistake (and I believe the publishers >>> have made an honest mistake) there is a learning experience. >>> >>> Together we can make the world a better place -- and the open web and >>> free content licensing can help. There is a place for everyone in the sun -- >>> even publishers who can earn a living through publishing free content. >>> >>> The embarrassing point is that my name is now published under a >>> non-commercial license :-(. However -- let's turn an honest mistake into a >>> success for all involved. I have just received an email from the publisher >>> requesting that we connect for a skype conversation later this evening. I >>> will suggest that they drop the NC restriction and release the work under a >>> CC-BY-SA license. >>> >>> That would be a smart move for them imho --- the "free" advertising >>> resulting from a move like that would push and promote sales. >>> >>> We'll see what happens. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Wayne >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:55 PM, gene aronin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Wayne, >>>> This was an exceptional commentary of your dilemma, because it >>>> 1)demonstrated what "creative commons" was all about, and 2) demonstrated, >>>> through your honesty and forthrightness the importance of this idea. >>>> Demonstrate by example. Good for you, Wayne. >>>> >>>> Gene >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:28 PM, aprasad <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Dr. Wayne, >>>>> >>>>> I can imagine how humiliating the situation to you. Hope the publishers >>>>> will come out with an erratum. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> Never a dull moment in the free culture world. Ordinarily -- I would >>>>>> not post public notifications around potential misunderstandings or >>>>>> oversights by a publisher. However, I find myself facing an ethical >>>>>> dilemma. >>>>>> Particularly since today I'm been commenting considerably on my personal >>>>>> ethics and views associated with the non-commercial restriction on our >>>>>> national New Zealand MLE list. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was recently invited to write the forward for a new publication -- a >>>>>> book of tweets on open text books. Great idea, very cool and appropriate >>>>>> for >>>>>> our times. In response to the invite, my very first question was was: >>>>>> >>>>>> "More than happy to provide a "tweet" -- what license will you be >>>>>> publishing the book under?" >>>>>> >>>>>> Response: >>>>>> >>>>>> "We will be doing this under Creative Commons - Attribution - Share >>>>>> Alike license- http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ >>>>>> That is the current plan. Any interest in co-authoring?" >>>>>> >>>>>> My response: >>>>>> >>>>>> "I always check that anything I write is published under a free >>>>>> cultural works approved license :-) I would love to co-author" >>>>>> >>>>>> So I do my bit, read the text, write a short forward and contribute a >>>>>> tweet. I now see that the book has been published under a CC-BY-NC-SA >>>>>> license -- which is very unfortunate, because I think its a great text >>>>>> and >>>>>> it seems that there has been an oversight in attributing my contributions >>>>>> under a license which meets the free cultural works definition which was >>>>>> a >>>>>> condition of my contribution. (See: >>>>>> http://www.happyabout.com/thinkaha/opentextbooktweet01.php). I've >>>>>> asked the publishes to print and distribute an erratum indicating that my >>>>>> personal contributions are licensed under CC-BY-SA on the basis of our >>>>>> original agreement. I'm confident that they will do the right thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I submitted my tweet, I wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> "This is licensed under CC-BY which will enable a derivative under >>>>>> CC-BY-SA." I did this work during official time, and my employers IP >>>>>> policy >>>>>> requires that I release my work under a default CC-BY license." >>>>>> >>>>>> If there were any communications from the publisher in the interim >>>>>> about changing the license -- I missed these ;-(. Moreover, for the >>>>>> record, >>>>>> I would not have agreed to having anything I write published under an NC >>>>>> license. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's ironic that while the book carries a NC restriction -- the >>>>>> international public can purchase the texts, hard copy or ebook for a >>>>>> listed >>>>>> price of $19.95 or $14,95 and see that currently some discount applies. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anway -- this is a public announcement that my forward is licensed >>>>>> under a CC-BY-SA license and my tweet - No 31 is openly licensed under a >>>>>> free cultural works approved license (CC-BY) in this case. The publisher >>>>>> was >>>>>> free to add an NC restriction on the tweet - -but has omitted to >>>>>> attribute >>>>>> the source :-(. For the record, both versions of the texts I submitted >>>>>> are >>>>>> licensed under a CC-BY license. You are free to take these texts, reuse >>>>>> them, adapt them, modify them and if you like sell them :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Wayne >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh <http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg>, Ph.D. >>>>>> Director OER Foundation <http://www.oerfoundation.org/> >>>>>> Director, International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>> Founder and elected Community Council Member, >>>>>> Wikieducator<http://www.wikieducator.org%20/> >>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>>>>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>>>>> To visit the discussion forum: >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Warm regards >>>>> >>>>> Anil >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>>>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>>>> To visit the discussion forum: >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With Best Wishes for an Even Better Day >>>> >>>> Gene-loeb >>>> Gene-loeb Aronin, Ph.D. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>>> To visit the discussion forum: >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> To 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