I am not a lawyer and I know nothing about copyright in Russia, but IMHO a 
Wikimedia organization should not promote fair use images, nor on Commons or by 
other means. Such images can not be published as winning photos, this is not a 
fair use, and a Wikimedia organization should not assume any legal risk on 
behalf of photographers. It seems to me an extension of the problem it had Wiki 
Loves Public Art at heart.


Vicenç


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Tema: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM photos are deleted on Commons

For the specific case of Russia, I confirm that I have heard your point.

I also would like to encourage you to be open to listening to other lines of 
arguments and be more flexible with considering other solutions. Remember that 
at the end of the day, the Commons community is also operating based on the 
same basic principles and motivations as the rest of the Wikimedia community. 
We are in this together, and to move forward efficiently we should work 
together.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alexander Tsirlin 
<altsir...@gmail.com<mailto:altsir...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Leila,

I can also repeat my point on list. Russian WLM organizers need the time until 
October 31 in order to identify and properly transfer no-FOP files. The Russian 
organizers really need this time. They are unable and they will not work in a 
different time frame. If Commons community accepts this, we are all fine. If 
they do not accept it, we have to say good-bye to Commons.

Sincerely,
Alexander


On 14.09.2016 21:38, Lily wrote:
Hi Yaroslav and others,

I'm sorry that we are going through these current events. As a WLM organizer, I 
feel the pain of organizing a contest, encouraging people to participate, but 
then seeing or imagining their disappointment. The one thing that gives the 
most motivation to me is to see people succeed in doing the upload, not to see 
them fail. From what I read at 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_of_User:Лавров95_2#Comment_from_the_WLM_organizers<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_of_User:%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B295_2#Comment_from_the_WLM_organizers>
 I also see some of the difficulties that the Commons community are facing. 
This is not a pleasant situation for anyone. We are all in this for helping 
people share in the sum of all knowledge. At the moment, we are distracted.

We are seeing a failure of potentially more than one part of our system. As a 
team of people working towards the same goal, we should investigate what has 
happened from the beginning to the end, understand what has gone wrong and 
where (no blaming of each other, simply understanding), and come up with 
processes for fixing the broken parts. This will help us not have to visit a 
similar problem again and move forward together and more efficiently.

I will reach out to some of you involved in this discussion off-list to start a 
(postmortem) discussion. In the mean time, I ask all of you to consider the 
other side and treat each other with humility, trust, and respect.

Best,
Leila

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter 
<pute...@mccme.ru<mailto:pute...@mccme.ru>> wrote:
On 14.09.2016 20:50, Marco Chiesa wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter 
<pute...@mccme.ru<mailto:pute...@mccme.ru>> wrote:

The files have been deleted, meaning we will advise WLM participants not to
use Commons anymore.


By the way, such images would not qualify for WLM anyway, since they
are copyvios.
Cruccone

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I know. The problems are demotivation of new users and excess work for Commons 
admins (in this case, most likely, me) to undelete these images for transfer to 
the Russian Wikivoyage (and, possibly, Wikipedia).

Cheers
Yaroslav


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