Dear all, I stumbled across another participant, User:James John Borg <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/James_John_Borg>. Looking at the metadata of their uploads <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/James_John_Borg>, it shows that the copyright holder of the files is "* Joshua Schembri*". I think the user is a participant from Malta. Do we have WLM organizer from Malta willing to take this up?
Best, Isaac. On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 2:23 AM, Alexander Tsirlin <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Lodewijk, > > I find it a bit difficult to assume good faith when someone approaches me > with a knife. I find it more natural to defend, and that's what we have to > do now. > > I truly regret that Commons did not develop a more civil approach than > submitting deletion requests on every possible occasion. Even if we assume > that this is the reasonable course of action, it hardly makes sense for > WLM, because only uploaders receive notifications about possible file > deletion. The organizers have no idea about it, although they should be > contacted in the first turn. Most of the uploaders are new users who do not > speak English. What do you expect to hear from them? > > All photos related to WLM Russia contain a template saying: > > Please read the guidelines > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database_in_Russia> > before making any changes that can affect the monuments database! > > If you actually read the guidelines, you will see the following: > > If you see a potential candidate for deletion, *inform us in the first > place*. We will organize the file transfer and you will be able to delete > the photo afterwards. Should you do it differently and nominate a WLM/WLE > photo for deletion without informing us, this will be highly detrimental > and disrespectful to our work. We don't like vandals. > > All these deletion requests are indeed highly disrespectful to our work. > But they happen, and we have no other choice but to fight against that. And > whet our knives, because we will likely need them. > > Sincerely, > Alexander > > > > > On 17.09.2016 12:17, Lodewijk wrote: > > Hey Alexander, > > Assuming good faith is always good - even if you have to work harder for > it. It makes the interactions more pleasant and the work more fun. So I > will always recommend to keep doing it - even if it goes against your > natural response. > > The case where the names don't seem to match seems like a valid case to me > to ask questions, and this process is (unfortunately) the process being > used for that at Wikimedia Commons. It is uncomfortable, but it is what we > have to deal with. Because there are so many pictures, there is a bunch to > be expected. > > I'm not going to pretend that the Wikimedia Commons community is always > easy or fun to work with - but their intentions are usually good. They are > very tough on copyright, and very suspicious. While these are some > disadvantages, it does allow us to use a lot of shared infrastructure, and > makes competitions like this one possible on an international scale. Please > do realise that the number of uploads typically raises with 30-100% during > Wiki Loves Monuments, and this puts some stress/strain on the reviewers > too. > > Best, > Lodewijk > > 2016-09-17 8:58 GMT+02:00 Alexander Tsirlin <[email protected]>: > >> Rather than complaining to the process could you please for once think >> that this is your project too and everyone in this together? >> >> It is not my project. Like many other people, I am forced to use it as a >> common image repository, even though I emphatically do not want to. As you >> probably know, before migrating to WMF servers Wikivoyage had its own image >> repository, and we wanted to keep it, because it was much better organized >> than Commons, and we did not want other people to impose their rules and >> practices of "nominating everything for deletion" on images that we have >> carefully collected ourselves. >> >> Unfortunately, our request was ignored by the WMF, so yes, we are also in >> this strange thing that was supposed to be a common project, but is in fact >> run by a handful of people who believe that unjustified and well-hidden >> deletion requests are the best way to solve all problems. But it stinks, >> and we try to be as far from it as possible. >> >> Your experience of license review for WLM Bangladesh might be interesting >> if we would ever have time to do this. At the moment, I spend most of my >> free time on finding and fighting these well-hidden deletion requests. >> Thank you, my dear Commons community, for creating such a wonderful working >> environment. >> >> Sincerely, >> Alexander >> >> >> >> On 17.09.2016 11:32, Nahid Sultan wrote: >> >> Though it seems a bit odd but on a commons perspective it is also a >> normal procedure. Commons has a huge issue with people finding images >> online and then uploading them as their own work, so regular contributors >> on commons can sometimes be overzealous in making sure that people actually >> have the right to release what they are releasing. That is where the OTRS >> system comes in. Rather than complaining to the process could >> you please for once think that this is your project too and everyone in >> this together? >> >> >> We, from WLM Bangladesh team have created a work-board/list for such >> users who have problem with metadata, previously published same image on >> other media to make sure that they are actually own the copyright. we even >> created a hand book for reviewers explaining what to look during the review >> (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:NahidSultan/WLM). So, every >> reviewer check for those mistakes when reviewing an image then if they >> found such problematic user they immediately contact them via email or talk >> page and list them on https://commons.wikimedia.o >> rg/wiki/User:NahidSultan/WLM/possible_copyright_problem. It works for >> us. >> >> Best, >> >> Nahid Sultan >> >> User:NahidSultan <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:NahidSultan> on >> all Wikimedia Foundation >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation>'s public wikis >> >> Secretary, Wikimedia Bangladesh >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh> >> >> Twitter: @nahidunlimited <https://twitter.com/nahidunlimited> >> >> http://blog.nahidsultan.xyz/ >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* WikiLovesMonuments <wikilovesmonuments-bounces@li >> sts.wikimedia.org> <[email protected]> on >> behalf of Alexander Tsirlin <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2016 11:09 AM >> *To:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition >> *Subject:* Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM photos are deleted on Commons >> >> Now it is not only about Freedom of Panorama and non-free images. >> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests >> /Files_uploaded_by_VekaSpb >> Here, one Commons user nominates a bunch of excellent photos for >> deletion after he sees that the user name does not match the name in >> EXIF, even though the connection between the two is pretty obvious. This >> deletion request has been closed yesterday, but it still costed me a lot >> of time and a long e-mail exchange with the uploader, where I tried to >> convince her that everything is fine, and this deletion request was only >> a mistake. Yes, just a small mistake, really... >> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests >> /Files_uploaded_by_PhotoJinn >> Here, the same user nominates for deletion some photos of a 13th century >> cathedral claiming that there is no freedom of panorama. What???! >> >> --------------------------------------- >> >> That's a very systematic course of action against us taking place on >> Commons. It would be silly to assume good faith here. >> >> Best, >> Alexander >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing >> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonumentshttp://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments >> mailing list [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing > [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonumentshttp://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >
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