+1 Ragib Bhai, 'Bangla' is right as a name when we talk about 'Bangla Wikipedia'. But the language name is Bengali in English language.
Belayet On 27 January 2014 17:02, Ragib Hasan <[email protected]> wrote: > I have faced this issue many times over the years. Thanks to Shabab for > explaining this methodically. > > Here are my 2 cents: > > In Wikipedia, the goal is to report what the status quo *is*, not what the > status quo *should be*. Whether we like it or not, the name of our language > in English is "Bengali". One might argue that it should be "Bangla", which > I agree with, but the reality and the international naming > conventions/standards all use "Bengali" as the name of the language. > > As a similar example, take Japanese language. No one in Japan would call > their language "Japanese" (it's called "Nihongo" in Japan). But in English > language, it is called "Japanese", hence the English language wikipedia has > an article on "Japanese language", but not on "Nihongo language". The same > goes for the German language. > > Note that, we are not talking about Bangla Wikipedia in Bangla ... in that > one, we clearly use Bangla as the name. But as long as the standards say > "Bengali" is the name of the language in English language, we should use > Bengali while writing in the English wikipedia. Hope this makes sense. > > Regards, > > > Ragib > > -- > Ragib Hasan, Ph.D. > > Assistant Professor & Director, UAB SECRETLab > Department of Computer and Information Sciences > University of Alabama at Birmingham > Birmingham, AL 35294 > > http://secret.cis.uab.edu > http://www.ragibhasan.com > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Nurunnaby Chowdhury <[email protected]>wrote: > >> +1 Shabab Bhai.. >> I think now everyone easy to understand the matter. >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Shabab Mustafa <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> I am changing the subject title to keep this discussion under correct >>> heading. >>> >>> This very thing has bugged me for a long time and I gave it some more >>> intense thoughts and a little research. Here I am not trying to preach >>> about what is 'Right' and what is 'Wrong', rather I am just presenting >>> facts I have discovered and what are my thought on this matter for further >>> discussion. I will try to keep it as short as possible. >>> >>> According to the Eighth Amendment of the constitution of Peoples >>> Republic of Bangladesh, Section 3 reads, "The state language of the >>> Republic is Bangla"[1]. So, it's clear that Bangladesh has officially >>> declared the language should be spelled as 'Bangla'. And we are bound to >>> use 'Bangla' as every official documents and so on. >>> >>> Bangla is not only spoken in Bangladesh. Bangla is also spoken in least >>> 3 major regions; West Bengal, Tripura, Assam (Barak valley), Andaman and >>> Nicobar Islands. [2] There is a lot of other people around the world also >>> speaks Bangla as well. >>> >>> When we are talking about Bangla in Bangladesh, it's fairly simple. But >>> it have an international context, situation is different. >>> >>> ISO (International Organization of Standardization)[3] is the body >>> responsible for setting international standards. People follow ISO >>> standards on International matters regardless of their domestic practice >>> (i.e. some countries use 'Mile' as domestic unit of length, but also use >>> 'Kilometer' when international matters involved) and this is the commonly >>> accepted manner. >>> >>> ISO has set up a list of language and their universal codes for it, >>> which are widely accepted by the UN countries. On 'ISO 639-1' standards[4] >>> a two-letter code was adopted and 'ISO 639-2' [5] adopted a three-letter >>> code. For 'Bengali' which are 'bn' and 'ben' respectively. [6] >>> >>> On this coding system, some language have had initials of their original >>> form/spelling of their language. Like, Persian. 'Persian' is the English >>> name of 'Farsi'. Persian has language codes like 'fa' and 'far'. On 'ISO >>> 639-2/T' it adopted the three letters from the English name of the >>> Language, 'per'. Same thing happened to German and French ('German', >>> 'Deutsch', 'de', 'deu', 'ger' and 'French', 'français', 'fr', 'fra','fre'). >>> [6] >>> >>> These ISO codes are also widely used on field of IT. Systems recognize >>> languages with their English names than their native names. This is mainly >>> because of that a non 'German' speaker doesn't wonder about what 'Deutsch' >>> is. This rule was applied universally for all the languages. And under this >>> rule, 'Bangla' became 'Bengali', just like 'Français' became 'French'. >>> >>> So, the thing is, when we are using 'Bangla' for our domestic use, >>> 'Bangla' is the correct (bound by the constitution) spelling for 'Bangla'. >>> But when we are talking international matters, it should be 'Bengali' for >>> more practical and logical reasons. >>> >>> Ref: >>> ----- >>> [1] >>> http://bdlaws.minlaw.gov.bd/sections_detail.php?id=367§ions_id=24550 >>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_language >>> [3] >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Organization_for_Standardization >>> [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-1 >>> [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-2 >>> [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes >>> --- >>> Shabab Mustafa >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Aditya <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> i also support that view. "bangla", not "bengali". >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:03 PM >>>> To: "Discussion list for Bangladeshi Wikimedians" < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-BD] A good news about Bengali Wikipedia >>>> >>>> Can we please mention 'bangla' instead of 'bengali' ? >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Safwan Rahman >>>>> Sent: 23/01/2014, 13:04 >>>>> To: Discussion list for Bangladeshi Wikimedians >>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-BD] A good news about Bengali Wikipedia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How they have collected the data and made the statistics? >>>>> >>>>> On 1/23/14, Nurunnaby Chowdhury <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Belayet Bhai, >>>>>> Times of India published this news. Check this link: >>>>>> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2014-01-20/ >>>>>> internet/46374197_1_google-page-views-page-views >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014/1/22 Belayet Hossain <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hasive, >>>>>>> Thank you for your news at prothom alo. Please give us the original >>>>>>> reference of that statistics or facts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Belayet >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2014/1/22 Nurunnaby Chowdhury <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> প্রিয় সবাই, >>>>>>>> একটা ভালো খবর.. >>>>>>>> ২০১২ সালের ডিসেম্বর থেকে ২০১৩ সালের ডিসেম্বর পর্যন্ত পাওয়া তথ্য >>>>>>>> অনুযায়ী >>>>>>>> এক বছরে বাংলা উইকিপিডিয়ার ব্যবহার বেড়েছে ৪৬ শতাংশ। বাংলার পাশাপাশি >>>>>>>> উইকিপিডিয়ার হিন্দি সংস্করণের ব্যবহার ৩৪ শতাংশ, মালায়ালাম সংস্করণ ৩৬ >>>>>>>> শতাংশ, >>>>>>>> মারাঠি সংস্করণ ৪ শতাংশ এবং তেলেগু ১ শতাংশ বেড়েছে। এ নিয়ে আজ প্রথম >>>>>>>> আলোতে >>>>>>>> প্রকাশিত সংবাদ: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *বাংলা উইকিপিডিয়ার ব্যবহার >>>>>>>> বেড়েছে*<http://www.prothom-alo.com/technology/article/128638> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* >>>>>>>> Administrator | Bangla >>>>>>>> Wikipedia<http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive> >>>>>>>> Social Media Interaction Expert & >>>>>>>> Assignment Reporter | The Daily Prothom-Alo < >>>>>>>> http://www.prothom-alo.com> >>>>>>>> Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Foundation Network >>>>>>>> <http://www.okfn.org> >>>>>>>> Treasurer | Bangladesh Open Source Network (BdOSN) >>>>>>>> <http://www.bdosn.org> >>>>>>>> fb.com/nhasive | @nhasive <http://www.twitter.com/nhasive> | Skype: >>>>>>>> nhasive | www.nhasive.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Belayet Hossain >>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/bellayet <http://www.facebook.com/bellayet> >>>>>>> https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:bellayet<http://bn. >>>>>>> wikipedia.org/wiki/user:bellayet> >>>>>>> https://reps.mozilla.org >>>>>>> /u/bellayet<https://reps.mozilla.org/u/bellayet/> >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/bellayet >>>>>>> http://mozillianbd.wordpress.com >>>>>>> http://bellayet.wordpress.com (Bangla) >>>>>>> Knowledge is universal >>>>>>> ...so share it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* >>>>>> Administrator | Bangla Wikipedia >>>>>> <http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive> >>>>>> Social Media Interaction Expert & >>>>>> Assignment Reporter | The Daily Prothom-Alo < >>>>>> http://www.prothom-alo.com> >>>>>> Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Foundation Network >>>>>> <http://www.okfn.org> >>>>>> Treasurer | Bangladesh Open Source Network (BdOSN) < >>>>>> http://www.bdosn.org> >>>>>> fb.com/nhasive | @nhasive <http://www.twitter.com/nhasive> | Skype: >>>>>> nhasive >>>>>> | www.nhasive.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* >> Administrator | Bangla Wikipedia<http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive> >> >> Social Media Interaction Expert & >> Assignment Reporter | The Daily Prothom-Alo <http://www.prothom-alo.com> >> Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Foundation Network >> <http://www.okfn.org> >> Treasurer | Bangladesh Open Source Network (BdOSN) <http://www.bdosn.org> >> fb.com/nhasive | @nhasive <http://www.twitter.com/nhasive> | Skype: >> nhasive | www.nhasive.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-BD mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd > > -- Belayet Hossain https://www.facebook.com/bellayet <http://www.facebook.com/bellayet> https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:bellayet<http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:bellayet> https://reps.mozilla.org /u/bellayet <https://reps.mozilla.org/u/bellayet/> http://twitter.com/bellayet http://mozillianbd.wordpress.com http://bellayet.wordpress.com (Bangla) Knowledge is universal ...so share it.
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