Thanks to Shabab vai for his factual explanation. The issue with "Bengali/Bangla" has also made me think over the facts. So +1 for both Shabab vai and Ragib vai for their insightful statements.
Regards, Tanweer On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Belayet Hossain <[email protected]>wrote: > +1 Ragib Bhai, 'Bangla' is right as a name when we talk about 'Bangla > Wikipedia'. But the language name is Bengali in English language. > > > Belayet > > > On 27 January 2014 17:02, Ragib Hasan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have faced this issue many times over the years. Thanks to Shabab for >> explaining this methodically. >> >> Here are my 2 cents: >> >> In Wikipedia, the goal is to report what the status quo *is*, not what >> the status quo *should be*. Whether we like it or not, the name of our >> language in English is "Bengali". One might argue that it should be >> "Bangla", which I agree with, but the reality and the international naming >> conventions/standards all use "Bengali" as the name of the language. >> >> As a similar example, take Japanese language. No one in Japan would call >> their language "Japanese" (it's called "Nihongo" in Japan). But in English >> language, it is called "Japanese", hence the English language wikipedia has >> an article on "Japanese language", but not on "Nihongo language". The same >> goes for the German language. >> >> Note that, we are not talking about Bangla Wikipedia in Bangla ... in >> that one, we clearly use Bangla as the name. But as long as the standards >> say "Bengali" is the name of the language in English language, we should >> use Bengali while writing in the English wikipedia. Hope this makes sense. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Ragib >> >> -- >> Ragib Hasan, Ph.D. >> >> Assistant Professor & Director, UAB SECRETLab >> Department of Computer and Information Sciences >> University of Alabama at Birmingham >> Birmingham, AL 35294 >> >> http://secret.cis.uab.edu >> http://www.ragibhasan.com >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Nurunnaby Chowdhury <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> +1 Shabab Bhai.. >>> I think now everyone easy to understand the matter. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Shabab Mustafa < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I am changing the subject title to keep this discussion under correct >>>> heading. >>>> >>>> This very thing has bugged me for a long time and I gave it some more >>>> intense thoughts and a little research. Here I am not trying to preach >>>> about what is 'Right' and what is 'Wrong', rather I am just presenting >>>> facts I have discovered and what are my thought on this matter for further >>>> discussion. I will try to keep it as short as possible. >>>> >>>> According to the Eighth Amendment of the constitution of Peoples >>>> Republic of Bangladesh, Section 3 reads, "The state language of the >>>> Republic is Bangla"[1]. So, it's clear that Bangladesh has officially >>>> declared the language should be spelled as 'Bangla'. And we are bound to >>>> use 'Bangla' as every official documents and so on. >>>> >>>> Bangla is not only spoken in Bangladesh. Bangla is also spoken in least >>>> 3 major regions; West Bengal, Tripura, Assam (Barak valley), Andaman and >>>> Nicobar Islands. [2] There is a lot of other people around the world also >>>> speaks Bangla as well. >>>> >>>> When we are talking about Bangla in Bangladesh, it's fairly simple. But >>>> it have an international context, situation is different. >>>> >>>> ISO (International Organization of Standardization)[3] is the body >>>> responsible for setting international standards. People follow ISO >>>> standards on International matters regardless of their domestic practice >>>> (i.e. some countries use 'Mile' as domestic unit of length, but also use >>>> 'Kilometer' when international matters involved) and this is the commonly >>>> accepted manner. >>>> >>>> ISO has set up a list of language and their universal codes for it, >>>> which are widely accepted by the UN countries. On 'ISO 639-1' standards[4] >>>> a two-letter code was adopted and 'ISO 639-2' [5] adopted a three-letter >>>> code. For 'Bengali' which are 'bn' and 'ben' respectively. [6] >>>> >>>> On this coding system, some language have had initials of their >>>> original form/spelling of their language. Like, Persian. 'Persian' is the >>>> English name of 'Farsi'. Persian has language codes like 'fa' and 'far'. On >>>> 'ISO 639-2/T' it adopted the three letters from the English name of the >>>> Language, 'per'. Same thing happened to German and French ('German', >>>> 'Deutsch', 'de', 'deu', 'ger' and 'French', 'français', 'fr', 'fra','fre'). >>>> [6] >>>> >>>> These ISO codes are also widely used on field of IT. Systems recognize >>>> languages with their English names than their native names. This is mainly >>>> because of that a non 'German' speaker doesn't wonder about what 'Deutsch' >>>> is. This rule was applied universally for all the languages. And under this >>>> rule, 'Bangla' became 'Bengali', just like 'Français' became 'French'. >>>> >>>> So, the thing is, when we are using 'Bangla' for our domestic use, >>>> 'Bangla' is the correct (bound by the constitution) spelling for 'Bangla'. >>>> But when we are talking international matters, it should be 'Bengali' for >>>> more practical and logical reasons. >>>> >>>> Ref: >>>> ----- >>>> [1] >>>> http://bdlaws.minlaw.gov.bd/sections_detail.php?id=367§ions_id=24550 >>>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_language >>>> [3] >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Organization_for_Standardization >>>> [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-1 >>>> [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-2 >>>> [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes >>>> --- >>>> Shabab Mustafa >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Aditya <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> i also support that view. "bangla", not "bengali". >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:03 PM >>>>> To: "Discussion list for Bangladeshi Wikimedians" < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-BD] A good news about Bengali Wikipedia >>>>> >>>>> Can we please mention 'bangla' instead of 'bengali' ? >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Safwan Rahman >>>>>> Sent: 23/01/2014, 13:04 >>>>>> To: Discussion list for Bangladeshi Wikimedians >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-BD] A good news about Bengali Wikipedia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> How they have collected the data and made the statistics? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/23/14, Nurunnaby Chowdhury <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Belayet Bhai, >>>>>>> Times of India published this news. Check this link: >>>>>>> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2014-01-20/ >>>>>>> internet/46374197_1_google-page-views-page-views >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2014/1/22 Belayet Hossain <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hasive, >>>>>>>> Thank you for your news at prothom alo. Please give us the original >>>>>>>> reference of that statistics or facts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Belayet >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2014/1/22 Nurunnaby Chowdhury <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> প্রিয় সবাই, >>>>>>>>> একটা ভালো খবর.. >>>>>>>>> ২০১২ সালের ডিসেম্বর থেকে ২০১৩ সালের ডিসেম্বর পর্যন্ত পাওয়া তথ্য >>>>>>>>> অনুযায়ী >>>>>>>>> এক বছরে বাংলা উইকিপিডিয়ার ব্যবহার বেড়েছে ৪৬ শতাংশ। বাংলার পাশাপাশি >>>>>>>>> উইকিপিডিয়ার হিন্দি সংস্করণের ব্যবহার ৩৪ শতাংশ, মালায়ালাম সংস্করণ ৩৬ >>>>>>>>> শতাংশ, >>>>>>>>> মারাঠি সংস্করণ ৪ শতাংশ এবং তেলেগু ১ শতাংশ বেড়েছে। এ নিয়ে আজ প্রথম >>>>>>>>> আলোতে >>>>>>>>> প্রকাশিত সংবাদ: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *বাংলা উইকিপিডিয়ার ব্যবহার >>>>>>>>> বেড়েছে*<http://www.prothom-alo.com/technology/article/128638> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* >>>>>>>>> Administrator | Bangla >>>>>>>>> Wikipedia<http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive> >>>>>>>>> Social Media Interaction Expert & >>>>>>>>> Assignment Reporter | The Daily 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