> I doubt that scale is only thing which matters. Sweden has a set of elites who all know each other and have developed consensus, and, perhaps, learned how to do that well.
What I know is that Ukraine has a big split between Russians and Ukrainians. But do nationalistic Russians even bother with the Ukrainian Wikipedia? Do you have a lot of Canadian contributors? In the United States distance defeats us. A meet up in New York City is almost as far way as Hong Kong. Fred > > As to me both enWP and ukWP suffers from lack of community (extremely > important word in Anders' comment) as that despite the fact that fist is > much larger 'town' (even 'city') than svWP, and second is small > 'village'. > > I mean community solid enough to 'behave' like one organization (Lars > Gardenius pointed to importance of it earlier) . > > ...and yes, comment > *> I'm sure the >> community of editors is rather small, but they must come from very >>diverse backgrounds.* > (from later note) > is 100% correct about Ukraine. > ...but isn't it similar to enWP, where people come from different > countries, so "*diverse backgrounds*" as well? > ...which this way or another prevent creation of solid community > (whatever > is the size of it) > > Sincerely, > Pavlo > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Fred Bauder <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> That's Sweden all right, it's like a small town. Thousands of >> administrators from scores of countries is another matter. Even >> requests >> for administration is very difficult as, unless you do big time >> research, >> or spend your life monitoring others edits and activity, you just don't >> know much. Voting has the same downside; because of the volume you just >> don't have enough information to register an informed opinion, at least >> about individuals. The people you encounter in daily activities while >> editing is only a tiny sliver. >> >> Fred >> >> > It is no magic >> > *yearly reelection of administrators/sysops has meant no bullying >> types >> > are sysops any more >> > *we are a small community with just a few hundred active. And we have >> > decided to treat everyone (who are serious) as valuable individuals, >> > and go a very long way to make all feeling welcome, stop behaving as >> > overdog/underdog and also to try special solutions for troublesome >> users >> > that enable them to not being blocked but having restrictions on >> certain >> > type of activities. Both people who have temporary maniac periods and >> > with autism symptoms can be useful contributers if handled right by >> the >> > communities. >> > >> > But these experiences can not be extended to everywhere. en:wp have >> 20 >> > times the number of contributers then sv:wp and of course this means >> > need of different ways of handling problems. I do not pretend to have >> > anything to teach en:wp, but as said I find nothing useful for sv:wp >> > hearing of the challenges on en:wp >> > >> > Anders >> > >> > >> > Pavlo Shevelo skrev 2013-09-05 13:36: >> >> Sorry, but I'm not agree with your note, Anders. >> >> >> >> My home WP is not en: (it's uk: in fact) but everything being >> discussed >> >> is >> >> very (100%) applicable for our community. >> >> >> >> Lucky you are in se:WP that you have no similar issues/problems but >> >> perhaps >> >> you've collected some magical know-how how to avoid said troubles. >> If >> >> so >> >> would you please share that knowledge & experience? >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Pavlo >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
