Perhaps you should think again Anders. It certainly also has to do with the Swedish wikis.
You just repeated what you wrote earlier. Regards, Lars Gardenius ________________________________ Von: Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Gesendet: 13:23 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013 Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself Should not this discussion be held on he maillist for English wikipedia? There is not much, if any, of what is being discussed that I can recognize from my home wp Anders Fred Bauder skrev 2013-09-05 13:18: > That was the purpose of the original arbitration committee. Finding a > mentor is kind of hard nowdays as there are so many users who might help > but probably will not. On the other hand, many requests I have received > and looked into are from people who are making trouble themselves; > sometimes very serious trouble. Giving a second chance to someone who has > been banned by the community after extended discussion seldom works out > well. But that's not a newbie who has run into serious trouble just for > making jokes about Windoze... > > Fred > >> It is very laudable if you, Peter, tries and help newbies and others that >> are harassed by other users. >> >> I however don't think it is enough in a worldwide organization that you >> have to rely on volunteers and that these will intervene. >> >> As I see it, if you start such an organization you must also take on the >> responsibilities that follows. >> You can't just duck and pretend that you can hand over all problems to >> the users. >> >> I still think that an international organization like the Wikis demands >> an instance to which mistreated and mobbed users can turn. An instance >> with the responsibility that normal rules in a society are upheld and >> with the authority to uphold them. >> >> Regards, >> Lars Gardenius >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Von: Peter Gervai <grin...@gmail.com> >> An: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Gesendet: 10:50 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013 >> Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Lars Gardenius <lars.garden...@yahoo.de> >> wrote: >>> No I don't think it is being addressed. Not in a serious way. >> You mean it's not _solved_. Indeed. >> >> At least one problem was mentioned in the thread which is that the >> (honest, knowledgeable) newbies have unproportionally smaller >> debating/lobbying power than aboriginals, and they are very easy to >> oppress. This is an ongoing problem for the last decade or so and no >> good solution seem to exist. >> >> In theory there are (or could be) volunteers who could be called in >> cases of newbie oppression from the experienced troll^H^H^H^Heditors >> who would declare that they try to act as neutral as possible but they >> would possess more experience to handle obnoxious editors and other >> regual beings. Arbitration, mentoring, whatever we like to call it. >> Obviously it only worked if there's a free way to reject a request (if >> the volunteer believes the newbie has no merits, let's not call them >> outright trolls and vandals) and if it isn't an "official" cabal but a >> large catalog of helpful and experienced editors. >> >> I have often done it (and still occasionally do on Commons since it's >> a pretty harsh environment for newbies) and it's doable if there's >> enough volunteers and people don't try to do it too often, I mean, one >> in a week or month or so. >> >> The point is to have a group of random people who are not involved in >> the debate but could help to communicate with the members of the >> community. (Since they're uninvolved it's probably useless to call >> them biased, which is the easiest unargument I've seen in such >> debates.) >> >> g >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>