> My 2 cents here is to lower the level of such ignorance as much as possible > and build them in into this proposal; at least by pointing out what to > avoid based on their failures (not to mention to learn what could work as > showed popular) to speed up the process
Yes, that would be a good idea. The only case I'm particularly familiar with is the WCA, which was a good idea that didn't work out. The WCA did some useful work in this area - particularly promoting the concept of peer review and shared learning. I have linked to all the WCA outcomes that I'm aware of in this area, if I have missed them please point them out! The main lesson I draw from the WCA's experience though is that a) trying to set up a structure that solves many problems is not something we are ready to do; and b) that it is better to treat this as an issue that the WMF should engage in than something that it shouldn't. Chris5 > > Balazs > 2014.04.28. 19:12, "Salvador A" <[email protected]> ezt írta: > > > If a topic merge regularly only means that is an overwhelming worry that > > must be solved. > > > > I don't see Chris' proposal as "reinventing the wheel" but as a new attempt > > to give answers to an inconclude question. If past attempts have failed > > that doesn't mean that this one must do it either. Non sequitur. Even if it > > fails it can be the basis or inspiration for a future success. Remember one > > of our principles: Be bold! > > > > The members of AffComm are willing to support any initiative related to > > development of affiliates. Please Chris, feel comfortable asking us > > whatever you need. One of our members will follow up your efforts. Finally, > > we encourage the community to participate. > > > > > > 2014-04-28 11:30 GMT-05:00 Balázs Viczián <[email protected]>: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > pls correct me if I'm wrong, but WCA was aimed to do this (and already > > > collected some materials) but ultimately failed due to the fact that from > > > this basic idea it was quickly developed into an "uber-chapter"-like > > thing, > > > not to mention the other problems. > > > > > > Anyways, I would highly recommend to stop reinventing the wheel every > > year > > > as there are at least 2 or more similar (or like-minded) initiatives from > > > the past years. Plus those that I'm not aware of. > > > > > > Rather collect and merge them into a single proposition as there are > > plenty > > > to learn from their failure than starting again (what you just did btw) > > > > > > Imo. > > > > > > Cheers, Balazs > > > 2014.04.28. 8:30, "Lodewijk" <[email protected]> ezt írta: > > > > > > > Thanks Philippe for the pointer. Sounds like an interesting angle, she > > > has > > > > been hired very recently it seems? I'm looking forward to the slightly > > > more > > > > details description on the user page that is apparently forthcoming :) > > > > > > > > Lodewijk > > > > > > > > > > > > 2014-04-28 4:39 GMT+02:00 Philippe Beaudette <[email protected] >: > > > > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > > > > > > > Have you approached Anna Stillwell - > > > > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:AStillwell_(WMF) - about > > > this? > > > > > She seems a natural person to include in your discussions and > > > thinking. > > > > > Having worked with her some, I think she'll have some real insights > > > for > > > > > you. :-) > > > > > > > > > > pb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia > > > > > Foundation, Inc. > > > > > T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | [email protected] | : > > > > > @Philippewiki<https://twitter.com/Philippewiki> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Chris Keating > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub for > > > > > > documentation and ideas around the training and development needs > > of > > > > > > Wikimedia movement organisations: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to have a > > look > > > > and > > > > > > add examples and thoughts for the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > As many people will know from my contributions to this year's and > > > last > > > > > > year's Wikimedia conference, or from the training workshop we held > > in > > > > > > London in early March, this is an issue where I feel the movement > > > (or, > > > > at > > > > > > least, the part of the movement that is involved in movement > > > > > > organisations!) can and should do better. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was interested to read the Signpost coverage of the Wikimedia > > > > > > Conference(1) which evidently comes from a similar point of view! > > > > > > > > > > > > We are slightly hampered by the fact that there is no single body > > > > > > responsible for doing this kind of training and development work, > > so > > > I > > > > > > would invite everyone with a stake in this (WMF, FDC, AffCom, > > > Chapters, > > > > > > Thorgs, User Groups, interested individuals) to treat this as > > > something > > > > > > where everyone can play a role in sharing experience, scoping out > > the > > > > way > > > > > > forward, and building a better way of doing this for the future! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/Special_report > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Salvador Alcántar* > > *AffComm member* > > *WMMX Board member* > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
