On 24/05/2014 03:31, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:
>>"*On a surprisingly large number of occasions, the criticism there has led to exposing serious problems that desperately needed fixing, and some of the commentary can be downright painfully precise when pointing out the movement's gaffes".

Thanks :)

>>"The problem with WO - and it's a fatal one - is one of motivation. The vast majority of participants there do not offer critique out of a desire to improve how we do things, or point at things that we are doing wrong with the aim of having them fixed; they do so out of spite, revenge or simple outright malice.

(1) This point has already been made, but it bears repeating. If the criticism is valid, as you seem to agree, why does the *motive* matter? (2) How do you know what the motives are? Are you a psychologist or a criminologist? My experience of WO is that many of the participants are driven by a sense of injustice at perceived mistreatment or unfairness on Wikipedia. That's just a speculation of course.

>>It is no coincidence that the more prolific participants there are people who were excluded from the on-wiki discourse before joining: it is the rallying point of the malcontent.

This is the case with most protest movements. If enough people think something is going wrong, and if they see no way of fixing things through 'official channels', then they will find some other place to rally.

>>The *reason* why they are so often uncannily accurate in their "investigations" is because they are driven by an obsessive need to turn over every rock, pick apart every comment, and expose (with no regard for safety or privacy) those they deem to be their adversaries.

When the problem involves conflict of interest, i.e. when someone is using an anonymous account on Wikipedia to promote some agenda or interest, it is obviously very difficult to avoid revealing identity or interest - particularly when it involves people massaging articles about themselves. When WO does this in the published articles it makes every effort to address the principle involved, rather than the person.


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