This, to the best of my knowledge, represents the entirety of the WMF's response to ACTRIAL. To the extent that there was additional feedback given, it was not given at WP:ACTRIAL, nor any other venue I am aware of.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30208 --Joe On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's the issue I cited above. You haven't heard more complaints, because > the complaint was pointless the first time and took a massive effort to > produce. > > The underlying issue isn't fixed. We're still drowning in crap and spam > from people who never have the slightest intent of editing helpfully, and > those who are newbies who genuinely want to help but need guidance get > caught in the crossfire aimed at the vandals and spammers. It is relatively > rare that when a genuinely new editor's first edit is a creation, it is the > creation of an appropriate article on a workable subject, and that's > normally more by dumb luck than them having actual knowledge that they > should do it. > > So, consider that a complaint. The proposed fix didn't work, and most > people at the time didn't figure it would work, but it was clearly the best > we were going to get. > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Philippe Beaudette < > pbeaude...@wikimedia.org > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > That's contradicted by, among other things, ACTRIAL as mentioned above. > > The > > > en.wp community came to a clear consensus for a major change, and the > WMF > > > shrugged and said "Nah, rather not." > > > > That's... Not exactly what I remember happening there. What I remember > was > > that a pretty good number (~500) of enwiki community members came > together > > and agreed on a problem, and one plan for how to fix it and asked the > WMF > > to implement it. The WMF evaluated it, and saw a threat to a basic > project > > value. WMF then asked "what's the problem you're actually trying to > > solve?", and proposed and built a set of tools to directly address that > > problem without compromising the core value of openness. And it seems to > > have worked out pretty well because I haven't heard a ton of complaints > > about that problem since. > > > > ______________________ > > Philippe Beaudette > > Director, Community Advocacy > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimediaemail@example.com > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Joe Decker www.joedecker.net _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>