Hi Pats, maybe as a little background: Charles Andres, who you're responding to, is actually an employee of Wikimedia CH. Your response might still be valid - I can't judge that - but it sounds odd to me as a relative outsider :)
Best, Lodewijk On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Patricia Pena <pp...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > All, > > The local chapter processes payments in Switzerland and manages fundraising > banners and payment systems implementation. WMF is not running fundraising > banners in Switzerland. > > If you spot any problems or issues, please do inform the local chapter. > > Thanks, > Pats > > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 12:35 AM, "charles andrès (WMCH)" < > charles.andres.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I just try and I am randomly redirected to the localize page or the WMF > > page….. > > > > > > > Le 27 nov. 2014 à 09:20, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> a > > écrit : > > > > > > The day before yesterday I was presented a fundraising banner in > > > Switzerland which redirects to the donation page of Wmf, contrary the > > > chapters page. > > > > > > Rupert > > > On Nov 26, 2014 3:18 PM, "Kim Bruning" <k...@bruning.xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > > > >> Just following up, > > >> > > >> Has WMNL now received the sought information? > > >> > > >> sincerely, > > >> Kim Bruning > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 08:42:01AM +0100, Lodewijk wrote: > > >>> It seems everyone agrees it is an important method (although I'm not > > 100% > > >>> sure that the US based people running the fundraiser fully comprehend > > - I > > >>> am assuming this is the case), but there seems to be some reason why > > the > > >>> WMF chooses to not make this option easily available. A reason they > > >> choose > > >>> not to disclose, but to be fuzzy about. I'm very sorry about this, > and > > as > > >>> Liam says, this fits in a trend with the Russian people no longer > being > > >>> allowed to donate. Maybe the two are connected, but this is all > > >>> speculation. > > >>> > > >>> I'm sorry to see these steps back from the more open attitude there > > was a > > >>> few years back. It feels very much that we are, as a community, being > > fed > > >>> canned press answers. But then, maybe there's a real need for that > and > > >>> there's a huge legal threat to making it easy to donate through bank > > >>> transfer that cannot be disclosed... > > >>> > > >>> Best, > > >>> Lodewijk > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Kim Bruning <k...@bruning.xs4all.nl> > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> To amplify: > > >>>> > > >>>> Paying (business) taxes in The Netherlands now pretty much requires > > >>>> electronic payment to an IBAN Account; a.k.a. it is (now) the > > standard, > > >>>> default, baseline way to make payments at all. > > >>>> > > >>>> After registering a business, the very next action is to open an > > (IBAN) > > >>>> account. All extant dutch accounts that predate IBAN have been > > >> converted > > >>>> to IBAN. All administration systems (must(!)) support IBAN. > > >>>> > > >>>> If you want to do business in the Netherlands, you need to support > > >> IBAN. > > >>>> > > >>>> Note that many (most?) dutch citizens do not have credit cards or > > >> paypal > > >>>> accounts. > > >>>> > > >>>> Further, IBAN is standardized throughout the euro-zone. > > >>>> > > >>>> iDEAL is nice to have and important. IBAN is a minimal baseline > > >>>> requirement. > > >>>> > > >>>> sincerely, > > >>>> Kim > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:42:31PM +0100, Walter Vermeir wrote: > > >>>>> Op 17-11-14 om 20:28 schreef Lodewijk: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> you back to the credit card page) or even via regular bank > transfer > > >>>> (using > > >>>>>> an IBAN) in the Netherlands. The donation page > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Historically the structure of bank account numbers are very > different > > >>>>> from country to country. And making transfers from one bank account > > >> to > > >>>>> an other bank account, especially internationally, are/where > complex > > >> and > > >>>>> expensive. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> There is still a lot of room of improvement but nevertheless it has > > >>>>> never been so easy and cheap to do international transfers as now. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The IBAN system - International Bank Account Number - is active in > a > > >>>>> fair chunk of the globe. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bank_Account_Number#Adoption > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Inside the EURO-zone , 19 countries, ?? 337 million Europeans , > > >> people > > >>>>> can make a bank transfer to an EURO-zone IBAN bank account without > > >>>>> additional expenses. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Many more outside the EURO-zone can easy make international > payments > > >> to > > >>>>> an IBAN bank account. That is not free ... but paypal is certainly > > >> not > > >>>>> free also. The costs are just deducted from your donation. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The WMF has always has been a huge fan of payment by credit cards. > > >>>>> Understandable, the WMF is founded in the country of the Credit > card. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> But that can make you blind to the fact that other people are used > to > > >>>>> total other payment systems. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> A couple of years ago I discovered that there where still people > > >> using > > >>>>> cheques in France. That came as a total surprise to me. I remember > my > > >>>>> dad using cheques 30 years ago. I never came in to contact with a > > >> cheque > > >>>>> since then. To my knowledge cheques where long gone. History. > > >> Extinct. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> But ... when you have the financial business concept of the WMF - > > >> when > > >>>>> you need money beg for it - the donation channel should be tailer > > >> made > > >>>>> for the specific common way of payment used by the person who is so > > >> good > > >>>>> to be willing to make an donation. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Walter > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > >>>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >>>>> Unsubscribe: > > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > >>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >>>> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > , > > >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >>> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] > > >> gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 > > >> 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9 DD72 > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > > Pats Pena | Sr. Manager, Global Operations > Wikimedia Foundation > office +1 (415) 839 6885 x6764 > cell: +1 (415) 816 3349 > fax: +1 (415) 284 9511 > pp...@wikimedia.org > > *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the > sum of all knowledge. 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