On 28/11/14 23:49, Lodewijk wrote: > maybe as a little background: Charles Andres, who you're responding to, is > actually an employee of Wikimedia CH. Your response might still be valid - > I can't judge that - but it sounds odd to me as a relative outsider :)
Indeed, I think Patricia missed the point of Rupert and Charles' emails. I have just tested myself from a computer on a Swiss IP address, opening 20 times the donation page, I get about half of the time the WM CH landing page, and the other half the WMF landing page. There is nothing WM CH can do, it is a problem with the redirection link on the WMF servers -- and it is obviously pretty annoying for us (WM CH). So far, we haven't heard anything from the WMF after Rupert first spotted the problem (thanks !). Frédéric > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Patricia Pena <pp...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> All, >> >> The local chapter processes payments in Switzerland and manages fundraising >> banners and payment systems implementation. WMF is not running fundraising >> banners in Switzerland. >> >> If you spot any problems or issues, please do inform the local chapter. >> >> Thanks, >> Pats >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 12:35 AM, "charles andrès (WMCH)" < >> charles.andres.w...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I just try and I am randomly redirected to the localize page or the WMF >>> page….. >>> >>> >>>> Le 27 nov. 2014 à 09:20, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> a >>> écrit : >>>> >>>> The day before yesterday I was presented a fundraising banner in >>>> Switzerland which redirects to the donation page of Wmf, contrary the >>>> chapters page. >>>> >>>> Rupert >>>> On Nov 26, 2014 3:18 PM, "Kim Bruning" <k...@bruning.xs4all.nl> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just following up, >>>>> >>>>> Has WMNL now received the sought information? >>>>> >>>>> sincerely, >>>>> Kim Bruning >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 08:42:01AM +0100, Lodewijk wrote: >>>>>> It seems everyone agrees it is an important method (although I'm not >>> 100% >>>>>> sure that the US based people running the fundraiser fully comprehend >>> - I >>>>>> am assuming this is the case), but there seems to be some reason why >>> the >>>>>> WMF chooses to not make this option easily available. A reason they >>>>> choose >>>>>> not to disclose, but to be fuzzy about. I'm very sorry about this, >> and >>> as >>>>>> Liam says, this fits in a trend with the Russian people no longer >> being >>>>>> allowed to donate. Maybe the two are connected, but this is all >>>>>> speculation. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sorry to see these steps back from the more open attitude there >>> was a >>>>>> few years back. It feels very much that we are, as a community, being >>> fed >>>>>> canned press answers. But then, maybe there's a real need for that >> and >>>>>> there's a huge legal threat to making it easy to donate through bank >>>>>> transfer that cannot be disclosed... >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Lodewijk >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Kim Bruning <k...@bruning.xs4all.nl> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To amplify: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paying (business) taxes in The Netherlands now pretty much requires >>>>>>> electronic payment to an IBAN Account; a.k.a. it is (now) the >>> standard, >>>>>>> default, baseline way to make payments at all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After registering a business, the very next action is to open an >>> (IBAN) >>>>>>> account. All extant dutch accounts that predate IBAN have been >>>>> converted >>>>>>> to IBAN. All administration systems (must(!)) support IBAN. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you want to do business in the Netherlands, you need to support >>>>> IBAN. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note that many (most?) dutch citizens do not have credit cards or >>>>> paypal >>>>>>> accounts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Further, IBAN is standardized throughout the euro-zone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> iDEAL is nice to have and important. IBAN is a minimal baseline >>>>>>> requirement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> sincerely, >>>>>>> Kim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:42:31PM +0100, Walter Vermeir wrote: >>>>>>>> Op 17-11-14 om 20:28 schreef Lodewijk: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you back to the credit card page) or even via regular bank >> transfer >>>>>>> (using >>>>>>>>> an IBAN) in the Netherlands. The donation page >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Historically the structure of bank account numbers are very >> different >>>>>>>> from country to country. And making transfers from one bank account >>>>> to >>>>>>>> an other bank account, especially internationally, are/where >> complex >>>>> and >>>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is still a lot of room of improvement but nevertheless it has >>>>>>>> never been so easy and cheap to do international transfers as now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The IBAN system - International Bank Account Number - is active in >> a >>>>>>>> fair chunk of the globe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bank_Account_Number#Adoption >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Inside the EURO-zone , 19 countries, ?? 337 million Europeans , >>>>> people >>>>>>>> can make a bank transfer to an EURO-zone IBAN bank account without >>>>>>>> additional expenses. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many more outside the EURO-zone can easy make international >> payments >>>>> to >>>>>>>> an IBAN bank account. That is not free ... but paypal is certainly >>>>> not >>>>>>>> free also. The costs are just deducted from your donation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The WMF has always has been a huge fan of payment by credit cards. >>>>>>>> Understandable, the WMF is founded in the country of the Credit >> card. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But that can make you blind to the fact that other people are used >> to >>>>>>>> total other payment systems. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A couple of years ago I discovered that there where still people >>>>> using >>>>>>>> cheques in France. That came as a total surprise to me. I remember >> my >>>>>>>> dad using cheques 30 years ago. I never came in to contact with a >>>>> cheque >>>>>>>> since then. To my knowledge cheques where long gone. History. >>>>> Extinct. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But ... when you have the financial business concept of the WMF - >>>>> when >>>>>>>> you need money beg for it - the donation channel should be tailer >>>>> made >>>>>>>> for the specific common way of payment used by the person who is so >>>>> good >>>>>>>> to be willing to make an donation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Walter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>>>>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe: >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org >> ?subject=unsubscribe> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>>>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>> , >>>>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org >> ?subject=unsubscribe> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] >>>>> gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 >>>>> 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9 DD72 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> , >>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Pats Pena | Sr. Manager, Global Operations >> Wikimedia Foundation >> office +1 (415) 839 6885 x6764 >> cell: +1 (415) 816 3349 >> fax: +1 (415) 284 9511 >> pp...@wikimedia.org >> >> *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the >> sum of all knowledge. 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