Hoi,
I have made changes to Grasulf II and I believe it is better because of
it. If you find fault, you can do what I often do: make a difference.. Yes,
I do edit Wikipedia occasionally based on the info that I find.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 18 December 2015 at 12:04, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > Wikipedia is not about infoboxes, they are (and are intended to be) a
> > small to very small part of the article in most cases. Similarly,
> > Wikipedias are not databases, so also without being a lawyer, I think
> your
> > interpretation is wrong.
>
>
>
> If you look at the Meta document I linked, you'll find that the definition
> of a database provided there is quite broad:
>
> ---o0o---
>
> From a legal perspective, a database is any organized collection of
> materials — hard copy or electronic — that permits a user to search for and
> access individual pieces of information contained within the materials. No
> database software, as a programmer would understand it, is necessary. In
> the US, for example, Black’s Law Dictionary defines a database as a
> "compilation of information arranged in a systematic way and offering a
> means of finding specific elements it contains, often today by electronic
> means."[1] Databases may be protected by US copyright law as
> "compilations." In the EU, databases are protected by the Database
> Directive, which defines a database as "a collection of independent works,
> data or other materials arranged in a systematic or methodical way and
> individually accessible by electronic or other means."
>
> ---o0o---
>
> You could argue that the sum of Wikipedia's harvestable infoboxes,
> templates etc. constitutes a database, according to those definitions.
>
> There is also the argument about the benefit of attribution, as opposed to
> having data appear out of nowhere in a way that is completely opaque to end
> users.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > The CC-0 license was set up with the express reason that everybody can
> use
> > our data without any impediment. Our objective is to share in the sum of
> > all knowledge and we are more effective in that way.
> >
>
>
> > We do not care about market dominance, we care about doing our utmost to
> > have the best data available.
>
>
>
> Are these not just well-worn platitudes? If you cared so much about
> quality, you or someone else would have fixed the Grasulf II of Friuli
> entry by now.
>
>
>
>
> > On 18 December 2015 at 09:05, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Gerard,
> > >
> > > Of course you can't license or copyright facts, but as the WMF legal
> > team's
> > > page on this topic[1] outlines, there are database and compilation
> rights
> > > that exist independently of copyright. IANAL, but as I read that page,
> if
> > > you simply go ahead and copy all the infobox, template etc. content
> from
> > a
> > > Wikipedia, this "would likely be a violation" even under US law (not to
> > > mention EU law).
> > >
> > > I don't know why Wikipedia was set up with a CC BY-SA licence rather
> > than a
> > > CC0 licence, and the attribution required under CC BY-SA is unduly
> > > cumbersome, but attribution has always seemed to me like a useful
> > concept.
> > > The fact that people like VDM Publishing who sell Wikipedia articles as
> > > books are required to say that their material comes from Wikipedia is
> > > useful, for example.
> > >
> > > Naturally it fosters re-use if you make Wikidata CC0, but that's
> > precisely
> > > the point: you end up with a level of "market dominance" that just
> ain't
> > > healthy.
> > >
> > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Database_Rights
> >
> >
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