I agree with Todd on most, possibly all points, but if Google want to finance 
faster access for their search engine, in way of hardware, software or 
development, with no strings attached, as long as it puts no-one at a 
disadvantage at the time or in future, then why not?
Peter

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From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Todd Allen
Sent: Saturday, 16 January 2016 6:02 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs

I wonder how many ways there are to say "No"? Well, let's start with "no".
(My actual thoughts on this idea would probably get me put on moderation, so 
I'll refrain.)

I helped build this project to be freely available to all reusers for all 
purposes. The WMF's job should be to provide as many ways as possible to make 
that reuse easy by anyone who wants to, whether that reuser be a multibillion 
dollar tech company or a kid in sub-Saharan Africa. It is a fundamental 
principle that no one, ever, should be charged to access, reuse, whatever have 
you, Wikimedia content. Not even if they could afford to pay.

Conversely, Google should never get a foot in the door to control Wikimedia or 
Mediawiki. And anyone who's writing a check holds some cards. Big check, lot of 
cards. If they want to donate to Wikimedia (and it'd be in their interest to, 
they certainly make significant use of our content), great! If they want to 
donate with strings attached, thanks but no thanks. We're certainly not hurting 
for money. If they want to pull a recurring donation if we do or don't do 
something, the answer should always be "Sorry to see you go. Thanks for the 
donations in the past."

I am becoming more and more convinced that the formal vote of no confidence Fae 
keeps putting forth is in fact necessary. And I don't exactly often agree with 
Fae, nor am I the Wikipediocracy "Beat up Wikipedia and Wikimedia at every 
opportunity" type. Rather, it's out of deep concern and care for the project 
I've spent a lot of time helping to build, and a lot of other people have too. 
I don't want to take that step, but this has got to stop, here and now.

Todd

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Peter Southwood < 
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> What do they cost the foundation for their access? If they put up the 
> costs significantly in way of bandwidth or servers or anything like 
> that, it would be reasonable for them to support the extra costs.
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On 
> Behalf Of Andrea Zanni
> Sent: Saturday, 16 January 2016 2:08 PM
> To: Craig Franklin; Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs
>
> Do you think?
>
> I'm genuinely not sure.
> I think that the difference in scale from what Google does with our 
> data and the general developer/researcher is pretty big. One million times 
> big.
> I actually think that "over-the-top" players like Google do actually 
> exploit free licensed materials like Wikipedia... I mean, their 
> Knowledge Vault is probably 100 bigger than Wikidata, but they are not 
> supposed to share it. It's an internal asset. And it's not matter of CC0 or 
> CCBYSA:
> they can keep it hidden.
>
> There very, very few players who can exploit commons like this: do we 
> need/have the right to address this? Is it a problem?
>
> Aubrey
>
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Craig Franklin < 
> cfrank...@halonetwork.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On 16 January 2016 at 19:23, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm interested to hear some perspectives on the following line of
> > thinking:
> > >
> > > Lisa presented some alternative strategies for revenue needs for 
> > > the Foundation, including the possibility of charging for premium 
> > > access to
> > the
> > > services and APIs,
> >
> >
> > Brace yourselves...
> >
> >
> > > expanding major donor and foundation fundraising, providing 
> > > specific services for a fee, or limiting the Wikimedia Foundation's 
> > > growth.
> > > The Board emphasized the importance of keeping free access to the 
> > > existing APIs and services, keeping operational growth in line 
> > > with the organization's effectiveness, providing room for 
> > > innovation in the Foundation's activities, and other potential 
> > > fundraising
> > strategies.
> > > The Board asked Lila to analyze and develop some of these 
> > > potential strategies for further discussion at a Board meeting in 2016.
> > > Source: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2015-11-07
> >
> >
> > Looking for additional revenue sources isn't a bad idea, but 
> > charging for premium access is likely to annoy the community to a 
> > degree that will make the great Visual Editor revolt look like some 
> > quiet and polite
> murmuring.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Craig
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