We could help them by making Wikipedia pages about registration agencies, European immigration laws, and/or uploading sample forms that they could translate into their own languages.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > wrote: > Hoi, > If we want to make a difference, a real difference, we enable refugees in > refugee camps to edit Wikipedia. They have nothing to do, they are often > well educated. It is wonderful when they can because it not only gives them > something to do, it gives them a sense of self-worth and this prevents the > onset of a lot of mental health issues. > > Obviously this is not easy but we do not pay them directly but still make a > real difference. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 26 February 2016 at 09:39, David Cuenca Tudela <dacu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I think there are more ways of supporting volunteers than just paying > them > > cash. For instance another option could be to offer them a place to stay, > > food and healthcare. That is how many volunteer programs work, like > > workaway or woofing, and I don't see anything wrong with it. > > > > Would it be an acceptable compromise? > > > > Regards, > > Micru > > > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:49 AM, David Goodman <dgge...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Involving the foundation as a broker would corrupt the Foundation > > > altogether. It would in essence turn it into an advertising agency. > > We're > > > supposed to be different from Google. Google earns money by letting > > itself > > > be used as a medium for advertising. It at least hopes to achieve this > > by > > > while not being evil, and succeeds reasonably well at the compromise. > > > > > > Wikipedia fortunately does not need to earn money, as ordinary people > > > freely give us more than enough for our needs, and can therefore hope > > to > > > achieve the positive good of providing objective information on > > > encyclopedic topics that people want to read about, not information > that > > > other organizations want people to read. We have no need to > compromise. > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:15 PM, SarahSV <sarahsv.w...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter < > > pute...@mccme.ru> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > - Possibly POV will be compromised in paid articles. > > > > > - Unhealthy situation within the editing community. In the debates > > with > > > > > WMF staff when we disagreed, I always felt awkward, because they > were > > > > paid > > > > > arguing with me, and would do it until they convince me or I give > up, > > > > and I > > > > > was doing this in my free time, and got tired very quickly. I also > > had > > > > very > > > > > unpleasant experiences interacting with some chapter people whose > > only > > > > goal > > > > > was to keep their position. They did not care about the quality, > > > > > efficiency, anything, only about their personal good. And if > somebody > > > > > defends their personal good, you know, thy usually win, and the > > quality > > > > > loses. Now, imagine there is a content dispute between a user who > is > > > paid > > > > > (and is afraid to lose the salary) and a user who is unpaid and > have > > to > > > > do > > > > > the same for free - I am sure a paid user will be way more > > persistent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ​Yaroslav, we already have a lot of paid editors on the English > > > > Wikipedia. > > > > Some are Wikimedians in residence, and this has always been regarded > as > > > > okay, though I believe they're expected not to edit articles about > the > > > > institution that employs them. > > > > > > > > But we also have a lot of paid PR editing and obvious COI problems > > > because > > > > of that, as well as the problems you highlight (e.g. the paid editor > > > being > > > > more persistent). > > > > > > > > Introducing the Foundation as a broker between organizations that > want > > > > articles and editors who want to write them would not solve all the > > > > problems you highlight, but it would remove the COI aspect. So my > > > thinking > > > > was that it would be better than the current situation. > > > > > > > > Sarah​ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > David Goodman > > > > > > DGG at the enWP > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Etiamsi omnes, ego non > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
