With vows of civility and NPOV -----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ed Saperia Sent: Friday, 26 February 2016 10:51 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization
A Wikimedia monastery! ^_^ Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Feb 2016, at 08:39, David Cuenca Tudela <dacu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think there are more ways of supporting volunteers than just paying > them cash. For instance another option could be to offer them a place > to stay, food and healthcare. That is how many volunteer programs > work, like workaway or woofing, and I don't see anything wrong with it. > > Would it be an acceptable compromise? > > Regards, > Micru > >> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:49 AM, David Goodman <dgge...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Involving the foundation as a broker would corrupt the Foundation >> altogether. It would in essence turn it into an advertising agency. >> We're supposed to be different from Google. Google earns money by >> letting itself be used as a medium for advertising. It at least hopes to >> achieve this by >> while not being evil, and succeeds reasonably well at the compromise. >> >> Wikipedia fortunately does not need to earn money, as ordinary people >> freely give us more than enough for our needs, and can therefore >> hope to achieve the positive good of providing objective information >> on encyclopedic topics that people want to read about, not >> information that other organizations want people to read. We have no need >> to compromise. >> >>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:15 PM, SarahSV <sarahsv.w...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter >>> <pute...@mccme.ru> >>> wrote: >>> >>> - Possibly POV will be compromised in paid articles. >>>> - Unhealthy situation within the editing community. In the debates >>>> with WMF staff when we disagreed, I always felt awkward, because >>>> they were >>> paid >>>> arguing with me, and would do it until they convince me or I give >>>> up, >>> and I >>>> was doing this in my free time, and got tired very quickly. I also >>>> had >>> very >>>> unpleasant experiences interacting with some chapter people whose >>>> only >>> goal >>>> was to keep their position. They did not care about the quality, >>>> efficiency, anything, only about their personal good. And if >>>> somebody defends their personal good, you know, thy usually win, >>>> and the quality loses. Now, imagine there is a content dispute >>>> between a user who is >> paid >>>> (and is afraid to lose the salary) and a user who is unpaid and >>>> have to >>> do >>>> the same for free - I am sure a paid user will be way more persistent. >>>> >>>> >>>> ​Yaroslav, we already have a lot of paid editors on the English >>> Wikipedia. >>> Some are Wikimedians in residence, and this has always been regarded >>> as okay, though I believe they're expected not to edit articles >>> about the institution that employs them. >>> >>> But we also have a lot of paid PR editing and obvious COI problems >> because >>> of that, as well as the problems you highlight (e.g. the paid editor >> being >>> more persistent). >>> >>> Introducing the Foundation as a broker between organizations that >>> want articles and editors who want to write them would not solve all >>> the problems you highlight, but it would remove the COI aspect. So >>> my >> thinking >>> was that it would be better than the current situation. >>> >>> Sarah​ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> >> >> -- >> David Goodman >> >> DGG at the enWP >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > Etiamsi omnes, ego non > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> ----- No virus found in this message. 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