Somewhat off-topic comment:
Andreas, the way you are formatting your messages (especially with that
---o0o--- symbol), it's pretty much impossible to differentiate what you're
saying and what you're quoting from someone else. Could you please be much
more clear on this?
Risker/Anne
On 28 February 2016 at 16:07, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Brion Vibber <bvib...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > What non-hypothetical work are you referring to?
> >
> > {{cn}}
> >
> > -- brion
> >
>
>
> Brion,
>
> You tell me. :) For what it's worth, Jimmy Wales has said in this thread
> today,
>
>
> ---o0o---
>
> On the very specific topic of donor funding going to help commercial
> re-users, we've had some interesting but inconclusive board discussions
> about this topic.
>
> ---o0o---
>
>
> So this clearly has come up.
>
> What originally triggered my curiosity was this: I noticed a couple of
> weeks ago that the Kindle offered a Wikipedia look-up function. I couldn't
> recall -- and cannot find -- any corresponding WMF announcement. So, how
> did this happen?
>
> The only thing I did find, as I was looking for a WMF announcement, was a
> mention in an Engineering Report, which mentioned, in passing, a WMF team
> doing work on this:
>
>
> ---o0o---
>
> "In side project work, the team spent time on API continuation queries,
> Android IP editing notices, Amazon Kindle and other non-Google Play
> distribution, and Google Play reviews (now that the Android launch dust has
> settled, mobile apps product management will be triaging the reviews)."
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Report/2014/July
>
> ---o0o---
>
>
> Google Play certainly contains a lot of Wikipedia content, and it's a
> commercial service. I also recently was pointed to this 2008 email from Sue
> Gardner, released as a court exhibit in the same antitrust case Arnnon
> Geshuri was involved in. Sue said, in part:
>
>
> ---o0o---
>
> I think Google and Wikipedia can and should have a complementary and
> positive relationship. And I gather Larry and Sergey feel the same: I
> believe they've told Jimmy that Google has no ill will towards Wikipedia,
> and that they'd be willing to make a donation to us in order to signal that
> publicly.
>
> I also believe that any real or perceived tensions in the Google/Wikipedia
> relationship may be being exacerbated at some levels inside Google by their
> unfulfilled desires to do business with us. Since relocating to the Bay
> Area in January, we've had plenty of Google folks reach out to us. But - we
> have a total staff of 21 people, with just one person responsible for
> business development, so I am not sure we are even able to politely keep up
> with their pitches. IMO, rather than spending our time on multiple
> product-specific pitches, it would probably be more productive for
> Wikipedia and Google to develop a single umbrella relationship/agreement
> (obviously within the limits of Wikipedia's non-commercial context).
>
> So. I think a good next step would be some kind of high-level meeting
> between Wikipedia and Google, to talk through these issues and see if a
> donation and/or business deal makes sense.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/sandberg.pdf
>
> ---o0o---
>
>
> I don't recall any such business deal or umbrella agreement ever having
> been announced publicly. So, what happened, and has it impacted in any way
> what people at WMF have been working on since?
>
> I believe that if the WMF does enter into business agreements with
> companies like Google or Amazon, or does work designed to enhance their
> product, then the community and the donating public should be told.
>
> I'm sure you appreciate that it's very hard for me as a non-staff member to
> gauge what's going on, but there were enough breadcrumbs here for me to
> feel it was worth asking the question.
>
> Does that help?
>
> Andreas
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