Gerard, this email thread was not about Wikidata and John was right to
make that clear, and link to the locus of debate behind your email.

Over the last four years, to my frail memory, you often hijack email
threads on this list to talk about Wikidata and attract attention to
Wikidata debates. Maybe many Wikimedians feel that's a fine and useful
thing to do, but from my point of view the apparent persistent
lobbying put me off reading any further into almost all of the linked
Wikidata discussions. I suspect this type of persistence puts other
people off too, though perhaps other volunteers can offer you better
advice on how to express your view without taking threads that had
nothing to do with Wikidata into long and sometimes 'shouty' multiple
emails about Wikidata.

This is intended as frank feedback, not an attack. If it reads like
the latter, my apologies for being unable to express myself more


On 1 August 2016 at 14:22, Gerard Meijssen <> wrote:
> Hoi,
> The point is not about people. It is about presentations given at
> Wikimania. They represent the best effort at the time of a Wikimania and
> are therefore highly relevant.
> I am sad that people like John misrepresent the issues at hand. They are
> three:
>    - are Wikimania talks relevant
>    - should consideration for Wikimedians be any different from the way we
>    treat other people
>    - is it ok for a Wikidata admin to delete a lot of content without any
>    discussion. At this time it is easy to observe that Wikidata do as they
>    please, they require of others big "community" efforts and easily do as
>    they please without considering the Wikidata policies.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
> On 1 August 2016 at 09:31, John Mark Vandenberg <> wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen
>> <> wrote:
>> > Hoi,
>> > A question that is very much under discussion is if presentations like
>> > these deserve a place at Wikidata. Given the subject and the relevancy of
>> > our current state of mind on subjects like these it makes perfect sense.
>> We
>> > are already able to produce lists using the tools provided by Magnus to
>> > update when new talks of a conference or on a subject are present.
>> >
>> > What do we think? Are presentations like these notable? Are the
>> > presentations of Wikimania notable?
>> Context for Gerard's post is:
>> I believe it is highly off-topic wrt the subject of this thread about
>> Katherine's talk, which cant be compared with creating Wikidata items
>> about non-notable Wikimedians simply because they presented at
>> Wikimania.
>> --
>> John Vandenberg

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