Hoi,
The talks are exactly the kind of things that are relevant to record. They
are about the subjects the WMF is about. My point is that it makes sense to
record them and have lists that are automatically updated wherever they are
wanted. That is my message. If is in line with what Pine wants; he wants us
to take notice of these presentations. They are easily forgotten and it is
why I propose this

This is part of an exchange where I was told to do more for "Wikimedia"
getting our message out having lists of relevant presentation will help us
on many levels. My question on this list was: do you think it makes sense
to have lists of relevant presentations like this.

This list is the Wikimedia list and it is for all our projects and for our
movement. It is therefore not exclusively Wikipedia or Commons. I have
indeed expressed my opinion often enough. When they relate to Wikidata I
express how Wikidata can make a positive difference for our projects, I
provide arguments why this is the case. When as you say you are not
interested, when you do not follow the arguments, when you do not ask, you
can not fault me for expressing them you cannot fault me for being wrong.

Back to the subject. We can have lists on recorded talks and presentations
(ppt) on the subjects that are relevant to us. My question is does it make
sense to have them and if so, I can provide you with lists of
presentations. I welcome suggestions to improve on the idea.
Thanks,
      GerardM

On 1 August 2016 at 15:52, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gerard, this email thread was not about Wikidata and John was right to
> make that clear, and link to the locus of debate behind your email.
>
> Over the last four years, to my frail memory, you often hijack email
> threads on this list to talk about Wikidata and attract attention to
> Wikidata debates. Maybe many Wikimedians feel that's a fine and useful
> thing to do, but from my point of view the apparent persistent
> lobbying put me off reading any further into almost all of the linked
> Wikidata discussions. I suspect this type of persistence puts other
> people off too, though perhaps other volunteers can offer you better
> advice on how to express your view without taking threads that had
> nothing to do with Wikidata into long and sometimes 'shouty' multiple
> emails about Wikidata.
>
> This is intended as frank feedback, not an attack. If it reads like
> the latter, my apologies for being unable to express myself more
> clearly.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>
> On 1 August 2016 at 14:22, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > The point is not about people. It is about presentations given at
> > Wikimania. They represent the best effort at the time of a Wikimania and
> > are therefore highly relevant.
> >
> > I am sad that people like John misrepresent the issues at hand. They are
> > three:
> >
> >    - are Wikimania talks relevant
> >    - should consideration for Wikimedians be any different from the way
> we
> >    treat other people
> >    - is it ok for a Wikidata admin to delete a lot of content without any
> >    discussion. At this time it is easy to observe that Wikidata do as
> they
> >    please, they require of others big "community" efforts and easily do
> as
> >    they please without considering the Wikidata policies.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >      GerardM
> >
> > On 1 August 2016 at 09:31, John Mark Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> >> <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hoi,
> >> > A question that is very much under discussion is if presentations like
> >> > these deserve a place at Wikidata. Given the subject and the
> relevancy of
> >> > our current state of mind on subjects like these it makes perfect
> sense.
> >> We
> >> > are already able to produce lists using the tools provided by Magnus
> to
> >> > update when new talks of a conference or on a subject are present.
> >> >
> >> > What do we think? Are presentations like these notable? Are the
> >> > presentations of Wikimania notable?
> >>
> >> Context for Gerard's post is:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Controversy_around_the_item_.22Wikimania_talk.22
> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2016-July/009158.html
> >>
> >> I believe it is highly off-topic wrt the subject of this thread about
> >> Katherine's talk, which cant be compared with creating Wikidata items
> >> about non-notable Wikimedians simply because they presented at
> >> Wikimania.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John Vandenberg
> --
> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
>
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