Yaroslav: thanks for these thoughts.  Could you link to the RU Voyage
document?  How was it different from what a facilitator expected?

Let's see if we can all make a better central discussion space, and make
brainstorming by individual-contributors more satisfying & w/fast feedback
loops from one another.  I think individuals, smaller/newer projects, and
interested non-Wikimedians have a natural advantage in imagining new
possibilities, so their brainstorming deserves every attention.

A related question: will the result of this process be a strategy for the
movement?  How will large groups within the movement (the WMF, the largest
WP communities, the largest affiliates) connect this with their own
existing strategies?  Let's make this much clearer than it was in 2010!

Wiki‚ô•, SJ


On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Tomasz,
>
> may be the Polish Wikipedia is an exception, I do not know. I have the
> strategy discussions on the English Wikipedia, Wikidata, Meta, and Russian
> Wikivoyage on my watchlists, and I posted on all of them. On the first
> three I do not see any discussion happening (and on Wikidata, Szymon even
> posted on my talk page asking my opinion on how the discussion could be
> facilitated - and unfortunately I did not had much to answer), just users
> come and post their opinions (which often are not even related to
> strategy). On the Russian Wikivoyage, all of our active partipants produced
> a document, to be told by the facilitator that this is not what WMF wants
> to see. None of us has been to the Wikimedia Conference, and, in fact, we
> do have issues with Wikimedia.ru for years, so I do not expect this
> document to go anywhere. May be I am wrong, but, again, I participated in
> the last time strategy discussion, and I had a feeling that we are being
> listened to. Now I do not have this feeling anymore, quite the opposite.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Tomasz Ganicz <polime...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 2017-04-08 12:44 GMT+02:00 Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Thanks Jane. No, 15 April 15 is the Easter, I will be hopefully
> > travelling.
> > > May be we will have another opportunity.
> > >
> > > However, I still believe that Track 2 has been so far essentially a
> > > failure.
> > >
> > >
> > Why? On at least several languages and projects on-wiki discussions are
> > quite active. On Polish Wikipedia 31 people participated till now, and 3
> of
> > them were also participating in the discussions in Berlin. We would never
> > heard those 29 if the track B wouldn't been set up. It is true that it is
> > hard to persuade people from small projects to join discussion, mainly
> > because they are usually focused on their own little corners of wikimedia
> > world, and simply have no any opinion about the future of the movement
> as a
> > whole, but that is OK, at least they got opportunity to participate in
> the
> > process.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz
> > http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek
> > http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/
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