Thanks Jane. No, 15 April 15 is the Easter, I will be hopefully travelling.
May be we will have another opportunity.

However, I still believe that Track 2 has been so far essentially a failure.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with everything Gnangarra said. As I recall, previous strategy
> discussions on meta involved fewer people later in the game with fewer
> documents produced than what we have now. That said, I think there was a
> pretty good representation of chapters at the Berlin conference and
> depending on your point of view, because of or in spite of their presence
> there were some really fruitful discussions. I say because of or in spite
> of their presence since they were in their own "track" at the conference
> and not in the "strategy track" that I was in, so I am not exactly clear on
> their contribution other than to arrange local meetups.  Yaroslav, if you
> want I can quickly take you through the documents that impressed me
> personally the most. I know you are really busy with stuff in real life but
> you care about future of the art & architecture stuff and things like
> copyright issues. If you can't make the Utrecht strategy meetup on 15 April
> then maybe we can do a skype call or arrange a Leiden meetup.
> https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiZaterdag
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I was in Berlin and participated in the strategy track for the three
> days.
> > The process was very open used open space approach such that at the end
> of
> > days 1 & 2 all I could say is that its been an interesting and thought
> > provoking sessions because that was how the process was running.  At the
> > end of day three the information from the first two days helped us to
> > discuss a number thermatic statements.  If anyone came out of those three
> > days claiming a clear strategy for the next 15 years they'd be lying, the
> > process has just begun and the best thing everyone can do is get involved
> > in every step along the way,. It a big task to properly undertake and it
> > will take considerable  time along with lots of good faith.  See the
> > attached photo thats just the notes from one 2 hours session all of which
> > is being captured and will be reported on shortly.
> >
> > WMF, WMDE and the Strategy team worked wonders with this process in
> Berlin,
> > the plans ahead to bring in even more input discussions will be amazing
> >
> > On 7 April 2017 at 20:14, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Guillaume,
> > >
> > > the conference of course does not exclude individual participants per
> se,
> > > nor did I ever imply it was in any way planned. However, we saw that
> the
> > > previous Strategy discussion was kept in a dedicated place (the
> strategy
> > > wiki), which attracted everybody who wanted to participate, and
> created a
> > > critical mass where discussions were possible and meaningful, and
> > > eventually were able to produce the strategy document. Currently the
> > > discussions are spread into 20+ projects (formally 300, but most of
> them
> > > are struggling and are not able to produce any discussion documents). I
> > > understand the idea, that people should be able to discuss in their own
> > > language and from the perspective of their own project, but it turns
> out
> > > that the critical mass is not assembled - the discussion is not
> > happening,
> > > just some users leave their more or less extended opinions. In
> addition,
> > > since 100 the most active movement participants had a chance to discuss
> > the
> > > strategy questions in person, they are (most of them are) not
> interested
> > in
> > > going to the projects and writing anything there. Which means that even
> > > discussion on the biggest projects, where you would normally expect the
> > > critical mass to be available, is not happening either. Which means
> > Track 2
> > > Cycle 1 is likely to produce nothing, and I am not really looking
> forward
> > > to Cycle 2. I might be wrong, may be there is smth which I do not see
> > > (though I, being an administrator on 4 projects and speaking 7
> languages,
> > > would classify myself as a reasonably active Wikimedia participant),
> but
> > > this is my current perception.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Yaroslav
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Guillaume Paumier <
> > gpaum...@wikimedia.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Yaroslav,
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure I understand how including affiliates excludes
> individual
> > > > contributors. There are many avenues for people and groups across the
> > > > movement to participate on wikis, in person, in video conference, in
> > > > off-wiki online discussions, etc. Anyone is welcome to contribute in
> > > > multiple tracks (as individual participant, affiliate member, or
> both)
> > > > and in multiple channels.
> > > >
> > > > There were about 100 participants who attended the whole strategy
> > > > track at the conference; surely there are more than 100 people across
> > > > the projects who want to voice their opinion on the future of the
> > > > movement.
> > > >
> > > > Also, the strategy sessions that were held in Berlin only concerned
> > > > "Cycle 1" of the discussion, which will end soon. That first cycle is
> > > > very open and exploratory and far from the be-all and end-all of the
> > > > movement strategy process. I certainly hope that many people
> > > > contribute to cycles 2 and 3 (where the convergence and
> prioritization
> > > > will happen) regardless of whether they were in Berlin.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2017-04-06 13:06 GMT-07:00 Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > The backside seems to be that those who have been to the conference
> > > feel
> > > > no
> > > > > incentive to participate in the strategy discussions in the
> projects,
> > > and
> > > > > these discussions show up as major disappointment (like those on
> the
> > > > > English Wikipedia or Wikidata) or do not really interest anybody
> (at
> > > the
> > > > > Russian Wikivoyage, we compiled a large document, which will likely
> > be
> > > > > translated to English, moved to Meta and forgotten). Which
> > technically
> > > > > means that this time, the individual contributors are excluded from
> > > > > building up the strategy, unless they can do it via chapters and
> > > thematic
> > > > > organizations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Yaroslav
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Tanel Pern <tanel.p...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Just to add to this as someone who (also) was at the conference
> and
> > > > >> participated in a few of the strategy track sessions, it would
> have
> > > been
> > > > >> basically impossible to provide any more information than the
> > > conference
> > > > >> website already provides about what took place at this session
> > > > beforehand,
> > > > >> given the extremely open-ended nature of the discussions. Just as
> > > > outlined
> > > > >> in the session overview [1], the participants started from
> basically
> > > > >> nothing (other than their ideas of what's going to be important in
> > the
> > > > next
> > > > >> 15 years) and ended up formulating a few dozen thematic statements
> > > > >> regarding the strategic direction of the movement. Frankly, I'm
> > amazed
> > > > it
> > > > >> worked as well as it did. At the same time, I'm not at all amazed
> > that
> > > > it
> > > > >> would take time to digitize the materials, given how many people
> > > > >> participated in the session and how much paper they consumed :)
> And
> > > > though
> > > > >> it wouldn't be difficult to publish the final thematic statements,
> > > some
> > > > of
> > > > >> them unfortunately don't make sense without some background
> > materials.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Just my €0.02,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Tanel
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [1]
> > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_
> > > > >> 2017/Program#Movement_Strategy
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2017-04-06 16:42 GMT+03:00 Guillaume Paumier <
> > gpaum...@wikimedia.org
> > > >:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Hello Hajdu,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > As Chris mentioned, there is a lot of documentation coming from
> > the
> > > > >> > Wikimedia conference in Berlin. In fact, there is so much
> > > > >> > documentation that it's going to take the team a few days to
> > > digitize
> > > > >> > and publish everything. You can see some of the notes from
> related
> > > > >> > discussions, for example:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > * The notes from a discussion about movement strategy by
> > > contributors
> > > > >> > from Wikimedia Commons:
> > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > > > >> > movement/2017/Sources/Commons_in-person_discussion_at_the_
> > > > >> > Wikimedia_Conference
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > * The notes from a discussion about movement strategy by the
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > >> > Foundation's Board of Trustees:
> > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > > > >> movement/2017/Sources/
> > > > >> > Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees_-_Discussion_at_the_
> > > > >> > Wikimedia_Conference
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The rest of the notes, photos, summaries, etc. will be published
> > > this
> > > > >> > week or the next. There was nothing confidential about the
> > sessions,
> > > > >> > and many participants have shared their work and sessions on
> > > Commons (
> > > > >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_
> > > Conference_2017
> > > > >> > ) and on social media (
> > > > >> > https://twitter.com/search?q=wmcon%20strategy&src=typd ).
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I hope that this reassures you and gives you some materials to
> > look
> > > > >> > over until we upload everything else.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > 2017-04-05 0:12 GMT-07:00 Hajdu Kálmán <kal...@startadsl.hu>:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Hi, There is a very active campaign for strategic conversation
> > > > defining
> > > > >> > the
> > > > >> > > future role of Wikimedia in the world. In the last weekend has
> > > been
> > > > >> hold
> > > > >> > the
> > > > >> > > Wikimedia Conference 2017
> > > > >> > > in Berlin. On this conference was a spacial group organized
> from
> > > > >> > > Representatives
> > > > >> > > for the Movement Strategy Track. I paid great attention the
> > > > conference
> > > > >> > > program, but unlike the former practice on the conference page
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > >> > meta
> > > > >> > > was not e bit information about what happened in this section.
> > No
> > > > >> > Ethernet,
> > > > >> > > no abstract of presentation, nothing.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > I don't understand the new policy of organizers, that the
> > > conference
> > > > >> out
> > > > >> > of
> > > > >> > > the ordinary way was hold in totally confidential or secret
> > wise.
> > > My
> > > > >> > > question this should bee the new Wikimedia strategy?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Texaner
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