Hi Guillaume, the conference of course does not exclude individual participants per se, nor did I ever imply it was in any way planned. However, we saw that the previous Strategy discussion was kept in a dedicated place (the strategy wiki), which attracted everybody who wanted to participate, and created a critical mass where discussions were possible and meaningful, and eventually were able to produce the strategy document. Currently the discussions are spread into 20+ projects (formally 300, but most of them are struggling and are not able to produce any discussion documents). I understand the idea, that people should be able to discuss in their own language and from the perspective of their own project, but it turns out that the critical mass is not assembled - the discussion is not happening, just some users leave their more or less extended opinions. In addition, since 100 the most active movement participants had a chance to discuss the strategy questions in person, they are (most of them are) not interested in going to the projects and writing anything there. Which means that even discussion on the biggest projects, where you would normally expect the critical mass to be available, is not happening either. Which means Track 2 Cycle 1 is likely to produce nothing, and I am not really looking forward to Cycle 2. I might be wrong, may be there is smth which I do not see (though I, being an administrator on 4 projects and speaking 7 languages, would classify myself as a reasonably active Wikimedia participant), but this is my current perception.
Cheers Yaroslav On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Guillaume Paumier <gpaum...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hello Yaroslav, > > I'm not sure I understand how including affiliates excludes individual > contributors. There are many avenues for people and groups across the > movement to participate on wikis, in person, in video conference, in > off-wiki online discussions, etc. Anyone is welcome to contribute in > multiple tracks (as individual participant, affiliate member, or both) > and in multiple channels. > > There were about 100 participants who attended the whole strategy > track at the conference; surely there are more than 100 people across > the projects who want to voice their opinion on the future of the > movement. > > Also, the strategy sessions that were held in Berlin only concerned > "Cycle 1" of the discussion, which will end soon. That first cycle is > very open and exploratory and far from the be-all and end-all of the > movement strategy process. I certainly hope that many people > contribute to cycles 2 and 3 (where the convergence and prioritization > will happen) regardless of whether they were in Berlin. > > > 2017-04-06 13:06 GMT-07:00 Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com>: > > The backside seems to be that those who have been to the conference feel > no > > incentive to participate in the strategy discussions in the projects, and > > these discussions show up as major disappointment (like those on the > > English Wikipedia or Wikidata) or do not really interest anybody (at the > > Russian Wikivoyage, we compiled a large document, which will likely be > > translated to English, moved to Meta and forgotten). Which technically > > means that this time, the individual contributors are excluded from > > building up the strategy, unless they can do it via chapters and thematic > > organizations. > > > > Cheers > > Yaroslav > > > > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Tanel Pern <tanel.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Just to add to this as someone who (also) was at the conference and > >> participated in a few of the strategy track sessions, it would have been > >> basically impossible to provide any more information than the conference > >> website already provides about what took place at this session > beforehand, > >> given the extremely open-ended nature of the discussions. Just as > outlined > >> in the session overview [1], the participants started from basically > >> nothing (other than their ideas of what's going to be important in the > next > >> 15 years) and ended up formulating a few dozen thematic statements > >> regarding the strategic direction of the movement. Frankly, I'm amazed > it > >> worked as well as it did. At the same time, I'm not at all amazed that > it > >> would take time to digitize the materials, given how many people > >> participated in the session and how much paper they consumed :) And > though > >> it wouldn't be difficult to publish the final thematic statements, some > of > >> them unfortunately don't make sense without some background materials. > >> > >> Just my €0.02, > >> > >> Tanel > >> > >> > >> [1] > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_ > >> 2017/Program#Movement_Strategy > >> > >> 2017-04-06 16:42 GMT+03:00 Guillaume Paumier <gpaum...@wikimedia.org>: > >> > >> > Hello Hajdu, > >> > > >> > As Chris mentioned, there is a lot of documentation coming from the > >> > Wikimedia conference in Berlin. In fact, there is so much > >> > documentation that it's going to take the team a few days to digitize > >> > and publish everything. You can see some of the notes from related > >> > discussions, for example: > >> > > >> > * The notes from a discussion about movement strategy by contributors > >> > from Wikimedia Commons: > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > >> > movement/2017/Sources/Commons_in-person_discussion_at_the_ > >> > Wikimedia_Conference > >> > > >> > * The notes from a discussion about movement strategy by the Wikimedia > >> > Foundation's Board of Trustees: > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > >> movement/2017/Sources/ > >> > Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees_-_Discussion_at_the_ > >> > Wikimedia_Conference > >> > > >> > The rest of the notes, photos, summaries, etc. will be published this > >> > week or the next. There was nothing confidential about the sessions, > >> > and many participants have shared their work and sessions on Commons ( > >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Conference_2017 > >> > ) and on social media ( > >> > https://twitter.com/search?q=wmcon%20strategy&src=typd ). > >> > > >> > I hope that this reassures you and gives you some materials to look > >> > over until we upload everything else. > >> > > >> > > >> > 2017-04-05 0:12 GMT-07:00 Hajdu Kálmán <kal...@startadsl.hu>: > >> > > > >> > > Hi, There is a very active campaign for strategic conversation > defining > >> > the > >> > > future role of Wikimedia in the world. In the last weekend has been > >> hold > >> > the > >> > > Wikimedia Conference 2017 > >> > > in Berlin. On this conference was a spacial group organized from > >> > > Representatives > >> > > for the Movement Strategy Track. I paid great attention the > conference > >> > > program, but unlike the former practice on the conference page on > the > >> > meta > >> > > was not e bit information about what happened in this section. No > >> > Ethernet, > >> > > no abstract of presentation, nothing. > >> > > > >> > > I don't understand the new policy of organizers, that the conference > >> out > >> > of > >> > > the ordinary way was hold in totally confidential or secret wise. My > >> > > question this should bee the new Wikimedia strategy? > >> > > > >> > > Texaner > >> > > -- > >> > > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject= > unsubscribe> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Guillaume Paumier > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> > wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > Guillaume Paumier > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
