Lodewijk -Thanks for your suggestion. We would totally agree!

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 3:53 PM, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the update!
> I guess people will support WMFs decisions in this case!
>
> John
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Juliet Barbara <jbarb...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey.
> > As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia
> > Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community
> > Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to
> > Wikimedia-l sooner.
> >
> >
> > We are planning to publish a statement on the Wikimedia blog soon. In the
> > meantime, we have been handling media and other inquiries with the
> > following short statement, which we shared with the Communications
> > Committee (ComCom) earlier this morning:
> >
> >
> > "The Wikimedia Foundation has learned that access to Wikipedia has been
> > blocked in Turkey as of Saturday, April 29th. Wikipedia is a rich and
> > valuable source of neutral, reliable information in hundreds of
> languages,
> > written by volunteers around the world. We are committed to ensuring that
> > Wikipedia remains available to the millions of people who rely on it in
> > Turkey. To that end, we are actively working with outside counsel to seek
> > judicial review of the decision affecting access to Wikipedia. We hope
> the
> > issue can be resolved promptly."
> >
> >
> > We will continue to do our best to monitor this discussion, but I ask for
> > your patience as we are managing inquiries coming in from multiple
> places.
> >
> >
> > If you are receiving media inquiries about this, please contact
> > pr...@wikimedia.org and we will be able to assist you. At this point, we
> > believe that the most valuable point Wikimedians can make on behalf of
> > Wikipedia is explaining its value as an educational resource.
> >
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Juliet
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Peter Southwood <
> > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >
> > > False dichotomy
> > > Cheers,
> > > P
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors
> > > Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block
> > Wikipedia
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]".  Of course the
> > > implication is that everyone else does ...
> > >
> > > "Rogol"
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Primarily this is those who sign the statement  on meta.
> > > >
> > > > On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then
> > > > > your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual.  If you are
> > > > > specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for
> "us".
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rogol"
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > @ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
> > > > support
> > > > > > terrorism."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > > > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.  WhiIe
> > > > > > > left it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
> > > > > > contradiction, I
> > > > > > > think it misees the point.  We provide information, neutral
> > > > > information.
> > > > > > > Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
> > > > encourages
> > > > > > > certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information
> > > > > > > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
> > > > > neutral,
> > > > > > > reliable sourgent,  thus defeating any such goal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't
> > > > > > > support terrorism, that the statements are on their face
> absurd,
> > > > > > > that we
> > > > > clearly
> > > > > > > document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions
> > > > > > > both
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone
> who
> > > > doubts
> > > > > > > this to read our articles on the subject.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" <jmh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
> > > > > impartial
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
> > > > freedom
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that
> > > > > > > > we as
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > movement oppose terrorism.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_
> Turkey
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > James
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > > > > > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
> > > > impartial,
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > least  substantially so.  This impartiality may be a threat
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > some,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > could be counter-productive to make statements which are
> not
> > > > > > carefully
> > > > > > > > > thought through.  Those who support repressive regimes can
> > > > > > > > > easily
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > pushed
> > > > > > > > > into an absolutist mindset.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" <gala...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and
> > > > > > > > > > e-mails
> > > > to
> > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > local
> > > > > > > > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks
> > > > turkish
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > maybe
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > incorrect.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen <
> wing.phil...@gmx.de
> > >:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a
> > > > statement
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That
> > > > Wikipedia
> > > > > > > > supports
> > > > > > > > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the
> statement
> > > > which
> > > > > > > > stresses
> > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread
> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge, but
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > most important statement is to contradict the
> accusation.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately
> recognize
> > > > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > broadcasts
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/
> dlf24-startseite.1441.de.h
> > > > > > > > > > > tml
> > > > )
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > event,
> > > > > > > > > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > reaction.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ting
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia
> Israel:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> Hey,
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > > > > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > > > > > > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > > > > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can
> > > > > > > > > > >> freely
> > > > > > share
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > > > > > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> > > > > > > > > > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> > > > > > > > > > >> To: Communications Committee
> > > > > > > > > > >> <wmfc...@lists.wikimedia.org>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it
> > > > > > > > > > >> will be
> > > > > soon
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > >> the news.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> ---
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to
> > > > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > online
> > > > > > > > > > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most
> > > > > > > > > > >> popular
> > > > > > > websites.*
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been
> imposed.
> > > > > > > > > > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible
> > > > > > > > > > >> from
> > > > > > 08:00
> > > > > > > > > (05:00
> > > > > > > > > > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
> > > > > > > > > > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access
> > > > > > > > > > >> any
> > > > > > Wikipedia
> > > > > > > > > pages
> > > > > > > > > > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
> > > > > > > > > > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration
> based
> > > > > > > > > > >> on
> > > > the
> > > > > > Law
> > > > > > > > Nr.
> > > > > > > > > > >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for
> this
> > > > > > website,"
> > > > > > > > > > Turkey's
> > > > > > > > > > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority
> > > > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > quoted
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > saying.
> > > > > > > > > > >> No reason was given.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the
> Hurriyet
> > > > Daily
> > > > > > > News,
> > > > > > > > > said
> > > > > > > > > > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a
> full
> > > > court
> > > > > > > ruling
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > > > >> next few days.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged,
> > > > > > > > > > >> with
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > > users
> > > > > > > > > > >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress
> > > > > > > > > > >> criticism on
> > > > > > > > President
> > > > > > > > > > >> Recep
> > > > > > > > > > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April
> > > > > > > > > > >> referendum
> > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > increasing
> > > > > > > > > > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the
> > country.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media
> > > > > > > > > > >> sites
> > > > > > > including
> > > > > > > > > > >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the
> > > > > > > > > > >> wake of
> > > > > mass
> > > > > > > > > > protests
> > > > > > > > > > >> or terror attacks.
> > > > > > > > > > >> The government has previously denied censoring the
> > > > > > > > > > >> internet,
> > > > > > > blaming
> > > > > > > > > > >> outages on spikes in usage after major events.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > > > > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > > > > > > >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> |
> > > > > > > http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > > > > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can
> > > > > > > > > > >> freely
> > > > > > share
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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