@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not support terrorism."
J On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote: > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it is > very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of contradiction, I > think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral information. > Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than encourages > certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with the > goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a neutral, > reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal. > > Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support > terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we clearly > document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both in the > Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who doubts > this to read our articles on the subject. > > On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not impartial > to > > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom of > > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a > > movement oppose terrorism. > > > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey > > > > James > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial, or > at > > > least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to some, > but > > it > > > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not carefully > > > thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily be > > pushed > > > into an absolutist mindset. > > > > > > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" <gala...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement > > > > > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to our > > > local > > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish can > > > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe > is > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen <wing.phil...@gmx.de>: > > > > > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement > that > > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia > > supports > > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which > > stresses > > > > our > > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the > > first > > > > and > > > > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation. > > > > > > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how > > important > > > it > > > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and > broadcasts > > > are > > > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk > > > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this > > > > event, > > > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction. > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > Ting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel: > > > > > > > > > >> Hey, > > > > >> > > > > >> FYI - sad news from Turkish. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > > > > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share > > in > > > > the > > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <it...@wikimedia.org.il> > > > > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM > > > > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > > > > >> To: Communications Committee <wmfc...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 > > > > >> > > > > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon > all > > > > over > > > > >> the news. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --- > > > > >> > > > > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online > > > > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular > websites.* > > > > >> > > > > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. > > > > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 > > > (05:00 > > > > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. > > > > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia > > > pages > > > > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). > > > > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law > > Nr. > > > > >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website," > > > > Turkey's > > > > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as > > > > saying. > > > > >> No reason was given. > > > > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily > News, > > > said > > > > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court > ruling > > > in > > > > >> the > > > > >> next few days. > > > > >> > > > > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some > > users > > > > >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on > > President > > > > >> Recep > > > > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. > > > > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on > > > > increasing > > > > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. > > > > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites > including > > > > >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass > > > > protests > > > > >> or terror attacks. > > > > >> The government has previously denied censoring the internet, > blaming > > > > >> outages on spikes in usage after major events. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > > > > >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | > http://www.wikimedia.org.il > > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share > > in > > > > the > > > > >> sum of all knowledge. 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