Peter,
Thanks for the compliment.  I just call them as I see them.
Richard

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> Rogol,
> Not everyone is blessed with your easy-going tolerance and automatic
> assumption of good faith.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 10:16 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on
> public domain works
>
> Fae,
>
> You seem rather too quick to leap to the conclusion that anyone who
> disagrees with you on intellectual property has an imperfect understanding
> or is consciously committing "copyfraud".  Have you made any attempts
> whatsoever to engage with the organisation in question to find what their
> position is and consider whether it might have some merits?  Have you
> considered that if you were to approach them in a less aggressive fashion,
> they might be happy to work with you or others to release their collection?
>
> Alternatively, if you are absolutely confident that your understanding of
> the law is correct and theirs is not, then you are at no risk of being
> successfully prosecuted, so what is your problem?
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The Canmore database, https://canmore.org.uk, describes itself as the
> > "online catalogue of the National Record of the Historic Environment.
> > It holds detailed information and archive images for more than 300,000
> > places in Scotland." Canmore is part of Historic Environment Scotland
> > (HES).
> >
> > I'm aware that Wikimedia UK has helped to fund several projects in
> > Scotland, so there is a network of contacts that could help take a
> > look at the problematic claims of copyright. Perhaps someone can offer
> > to take action to help Historic Environment Scotland reach a better
> > understanding of copyright and avoid basic copyfraud errors?
> >
> > In theory this could be a marvelous reference resource for open
> > knowledge about the history of Scotland, but the online catalogue
> > seems more like a retail outlet geared to maximise the cash to be made
> > from selling archive images, many of which are obviously public
> > domain. There are two basic problems:
> > * The online archive is limited to 800px width images, with website
> > users directed to buy higher resolutions which are claimed to be a
> > minimum of 3,000 pixels wide.
> > * Regardless of age, source or photographer all images are claimed as
> > copyright with the conditions including "No permission is given for
> > any commercial use, distribution or reproduction in these terms.
> > Please use the BUY option for these purposes and separate licences
> > will be provided."
> >
> > I would be delighted to release some of the public domain collections
> > from Canmore at high resolution to Wikimedia Commons, but at the
> > moment it's all locked down. In fact were I to try to release the
> > disappointingly small 800px versions of public domain images, even
> > using the "required" attribution to RCAHMS (which no longer exists), I
> > would be at personal risk of prosecution by HES based on the site
> > terms and conditions. See examples 1 and 2.
> >
> > Examples:
> > 1. Photograph of Hanover Street taken in 1870 by an unknown
> > photographer, making it likely to have been public domain from 1898.
> > https://canmore.org.uk/collection/466213
> > 2. Over 950 photographs taken by Francis M Christal, who died in 1944,
> > making all photographs public domain in 2014:
> > https://canmore.org.uk/collection/result?GROUPCATEGORY=5&SIMPLE_
> > KEYWORD=Francis%20M%20Chrystal&collection_items_page=40
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fae
> > --
> > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> >
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