Peter

... and people who disagree post comments to that effect in a free, fair
and frank exchange of views.  So all is well.

Reynard

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 5:18 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> Funny thing,
> That is what I would have said of Fae as well
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:07 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on
> public domain works
>
> Peter,
> Thanks for the compliment.  I just call them as I see them.
> Richard
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > Rogol,
> > Not everyone is blessed with your easy-going tolerance and automatic
> > assumption of good faith.
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors
> > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 10:16 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on
> > public domain works
> >
> > Fae,
> >
> > You seem rather too quick to leap to the conclusion that anyone who
> > disagrees with you on intellectual property has an imperfect
> > understanding or is consciously committing "copyfraud".  Have you made
> > any attempts whatsoever to engage with the organisation in question to
> > find what their position is and consider whether it might have some
> > merits?  Have you considered that if you were to approach them in a
> > less aggressive fashion, they might be happy to work with you or others
> to release their collection?
> >
> > Alternatively, if you are absolutely confident that your understanding
> > of the law is correct and theirs is not, then you are at no risk of
> > being successfully prosecuted, so what is your problem?
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The Canmore database, https://canmore.org.uk, describes itself as
> > > the "online catalogue of the National Record of the Historic
> Environment.
> > > It holds detailed information and archive images for more than
> > > 300,000 places in Scotland." Canmore is part of Historic Environment
> > > Scotland (HES).
> > >
> > > I'm aware that Wikimedia UK has helped to fund several projects in
> > > Scotland, so there is a network of contacts that could help take a
> > > look at the problematic claims of copyright. Perhaps someone can
> > > offer to take action to help Historic Environment Scotland reach a
> > > better understanding of copyright and avoid basic copyfraud errors?
> > >
> > > In theory this could be a marvelous reference resource for open
> > > knowledge about the history of Scotland, but the online catalogue
> > > seems more like a retail outlet geared to maximise the cash to be
> > > made from selling archive images, many of which are obviously public
> > > domain. There are two basic problems:
> > > * The online archive is limited to 800px width images, with website
> > > users directed to buy higher resolutions which are claimed to be a
> > > minimum of 3,000 pixels wide.
> > > * Regardless of age, source or photographer all images are claimed
> > > as copyright with the conditions including "No permission is given
> > > for any commercial use, distribution or reproduction in these terms.
> > > Please use the BUY option for these purposes and separate licences
> > > will be provided."
> > >
> > > I would be delighted to release some of the public domain
> > > collections from Canmore at high resolution to Wikimedia Commons,
> > > but at the moment it's all locked down. In fact were I to try to
> > > release the disappointingly small 800px versions of public domain
> > > images, even using the "required" attribution to RCAHMS (which no
> > > longer exists), I would be at personal risk of prosecution by HES
> > > based on the site terms and conditions. See examples 1 and 2.
> > >
> > > Examples:
> > > 1. Photograph of Hanover Street taken in 1870 by an unknown
> > > photographer, making it likely to have been public domain from 1898.
> > > https://canmore.org.uk/collection/466213
> > > 2. Over 950 photographs taken by Francis M Christal, who died in
> > > 1944, making all photographs public domain in 2014:
> > > https://canmore.org.uk/collection/result?GROUPCATEGORY=5&SIMPLE_
> > > KEYWORD=Francis%20M%20Chrystal&collection_items_page=40
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Fae
> > > --
> > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> > >
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