Peter ... and people who disagree post comments to that effect in a free, fair and frank exchange of views. So all is well.
Reynard On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 5:18 AM, Peter Southwood < [email protected]> wrote: > Funny thing, > That is what I would have said of Fae as well > Cheers, > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:07 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on > public domain works > > Peter, > Thanks for the compliment. I just call them as I see them. > Richard > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Peter Southwood < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Rogol, > > Not everyone is blessed with your easy-going tolerance and automatic > > assumption of good faith. > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors > > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 10:16 PM > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on > > public domain works > > > > Fae, > > > > You seem rather too quick to leap to the conclusion that anyone who > > disagrees with you on intellectual property has an imperfect > > understanding or is consciously committing "copyfraud". Have you made > > any attempts whatsoever to engage with the organisation in question to > > find what their position is and consider whether it might have some > > merits? Have you considered that if you were to approach them in a > > less aggressive fashion, they might be happy to work with you or others > to release their collection? > > > > Alternatively, if you are absolutely confident that your understanding > > of the law is correct and theirs is not, then you are at no risk of > > being successfully prosecuted, so what is your problem? > > > > "Rogol" > > > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Fæ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The Canmore database, https://canmore.org.uk, describes itself as > > > the "online catalogue of the National Record of the Historic > Environment. > > > It holds detailed information and archive images for more than > > > 300,000 places in Scotland." Canmore is part of Historic Environment > > > Scotland (HES). > > > > > > I'm aware that Wikimedia UK has helped to fund several projects in > > > Scotland, so there is a network of contacts that could help take a > > > look at the problematic claims of copyright. Perhaps someone can > > > offer to take action to help Historic Environment Scotland reach a > > > better understanding of copyright and avoid basic copyfraud errors? > > > > > > In theory this could be a marvelous reference resource for open > > > knowledge about the history of Scotland, but the online catalogue > > > seems more like a retail outlet geared to maximise the cash to be > > > made from selling archive images, many of which are obviously public > > > domain. There are two basic problems: > > > * The online archive is limited to 800px width images, with website > > > users directed to buy higher resolutions which are claimed to be a > > > minimum of 3,000 pixels wide. > > > * Regardless of age, source or photographer all images are claimed > > > as copyright with the conditions including "No permission is given > > > for any commercial use, distribution or reproduction in these terms. > > > Please use the BUY option for these purposes and separate licences > > > will be provided." > > > > > > I would be delighted to release some of the public domain > > > collections from Canmore at high resolution to Wikimedia Commons, > > > but at the moment it's all locked down. In fact were I to try to > > > release the disappointingly small 800px versions of public domain > > > images, even using the "required" attribution to RCAHMS (which no > > > longer exists), I would be at personal risk of prosecution by HES > > > based on the site terms and conditions. See examples 1 and 2. > > > > > > Examples: > > > 1. Photograph of Hanover Street taken in 1870 by an unknown > > > photographer, making it likely to have been public domain from 1898. > > > https://canmore.org.uk/collection/466213 > > > 2. Over 950 photographs taken by Francis M Christal, who died in > > > 1944, making all photographs public domain in 2014: > > > https://canmore.org.uk/collection/result?GROUPCATEGORY=5&SIMPLE_ > > > KEYWORD=Francis%20M%20Chrystal&collection_items_page=40 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Fae > > > -- > > > [email protected] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
