Funny thing, That is what I would have said of Fae as well Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:07 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on public domain works
Peter, Thanks for the compliment. I just call them as I see them. Richard On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > Rogol, > Not everyone is blessed with your easy-going tolerance and automatic > assumption of good faith. > Cheers, > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 10:16 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on > public domain works > > Fae, > > You seem rather too quick to leap to the conclusion that anyone who > disagrees with you on intellectual property has an imperfect > understanding or is consciously committing "copyfraud". Have you made > any attempts whatsoever to engage with the organisation in question to > find what their position is and consider whether it might have some > merits? Have you considered that if you were to approach them in a > less aggressive fashion, they might be happy to work with you or others to > release their collection? > > Alternatively, if you are absolutely confident that your understanding > of the law is correct and theirs is not, then you are at no risk of > being successfully prosecuted, so what is your problem? > > "Rogol" > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The Canmore database, https://canmore.org.uk, describes itself as > > the "online catalogue of the National Record of the Historic Environment. > > It holds detailed information and archive images for more than > > 300,000 places in Scotland." Canmore is part of Historic Environment > > Scotland (HES). > > > > I'm aware that Wikimedia UK has helped to fund several projects in > > Scotland, so there is a network of contacts that could help take a > > look at the problematic claims of copyright. Perhaps someone can > > offer to take action to help Historic Environment Scotland reach a > > better understanding of copyright and avoid basic copyfraud errors? > > > > In theory this could be a marvelous reference resource for open > > knowledge about the history of Scotland, but the online catalogue > > seems more like a retail outlet geared to maximise the cash to be > > made from selling archive images, many of which are obviously public > > domain. There are two basic problems: > > * The online archive is limited to 800px width images, with website > > users directed to buy higher resolutions which are claimed to be a > > minimum of 3,000 pixels wide. > > * Regardless of age, source or photographer all images are claimed > > as copyright with the conditions including "No permission is given > > for any commercial use, distribution or reproduction in these terms. > > Please use the BUY option for these purposes and separate licences > > will be provided." > > > > I would be delighted to release some of the public domain > > collections from Canmore at high resolution to Wikimedia Commons, > > but at the moment it's all locked down. In fact were I to try to > > release the disappointingly small 800px versions of public domain > > images, even using the "required" attribution to RCAHMS (which no > > longer exists), I would be at personal risk of prosecution by HES > > based on the site terms and conditions. See examples 1 and 2. > > > > Examples: > > 1. Photograph of Hanover Street taken in 1870 by an unknown > > photographer, making it likely to have been public domain from 1898. > > https://canmore.org.uk/collection/466213 > > 2. Over 950 photographs taken by Francis M Christal, who died in > > 1944, making all photographs public domain in 2014: > > https://canmore.org.uk/collection/result?GROUPCATEGORY=5&SIMPLE_ > > KEYWORD=Francis%20M%20Chrystal&collection_items_page=40 > > > > Thanks, > > Fae > > -- > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
