Hoi,
Are you seriously asking what African, Indian or Chinese Wikipedian ...
does not want Americans or British to have what they do not have either?
What makes them so special that they deserve this!
English Wikipedia is only 50% of our traffic. The attention it is given is
excessive.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 18 June 2018 at 15:57, James Salsman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Dennis During <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Yes. I think I am. I wouldn't have thought that WMF would be so driven by
> > economics.
>
> Have you looked at the ED's CV?
>
> > I would bail from this project and find another that was less partisan
>
> If the ED told donors to take steps that might get American editors
> health care, UK editors free college, German editors shorter work
> weeks, or Greek editors a two-bracket tax structure, that would be
> enough to make you want to stop participating? Why?
>
> > fewer and fewer institutions seem nonpartisan to me.
>
> I wish I could say the same. The Denver Post was just taken over by a
> hedge fund a couple months ago, and the newsroom staff gutted. That
> was certainly the kind of libertarian partisanship which the
> Foundation certainly supported through early support of civil
> liberties groups to the exclusion of tax and transfer equity groups,
> not to mention the Objectivist bent of most of the wikipedias'
> economics articles. Now the reporters are jumping ship and forming a
> new employee-owned newspaper, the Colorado Sun, using blockchain
> technology to facilitate a new equity structure.
>
> Being nonpartisan is like being neutral: relative to what? I am merely
> asking that the Foundation's default partisan position be modified for
> instead of against individual wikimedian editors.
>
> > the WMF projects would be more to your liking without people of my
> > beliefs intruding on policy discussions.
>
> Nonsense! Some of my best friends believe
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfs1nG_UwAEsST3.jpg
>
> > I favor the WMF focusing its efforts on serving a vast public by offering
> > content that is not
>
> Not what? Not biased like the enwiki's "Economics" article implying
> that the government never spends taxes in a pathetic sophomorish
> attempt to claim that taxes are always bad?
>
> >> We should measure how much donors are likely
> >> to donate more or less for each of the issues.
> >
> > That is a short-run view.
>
> No, measurement to optimize donations is how we have always built the long
> run.
>
> > I prefer institutions that seem committed to a minimal core set of
> values.
>
> Such as fighting for the economic health of their volunteers thus
> enlarging the pool of potential volunteers and winning the concordant
> PR?
>
> > I am also surprised that you believe that the economics of donations
> > and grants should be driving the projects.
>
> I was not surprised when others confirmed that the articles I've been
> monitoring as quality barometers turned out to be heavily correlated
> with articles likely to be associated with above-average donations.
>
> > Is WMF for sale to corporate donors, to large private donors, or to
> those who
> > craft seductive fund-raising messages?
>
> Well obviously not because there are still hundreds of banner messages
> which have never been measured.
>
> >> I would also like to know the proportion of wikimedians who think the
> Mission
> >> is so restrictive.
> >
> > Facts are always nice
>
> The idea that more than a few percent of wikimedians think that the
> Mission limits political advocacy to libertarian copyright and
> internet law organizations is absurd. It may be 10% tops. If there is
> an actual question, we can and should measure the quantity.
>
> > What is an "optimized influence likelihood"?
>
> For example, the arguments for free college, shorter work weeks,
> payroll subsidies, and two-bracket taxation are appropriate for the
> UK, but single payer health care is not, because they've already won
> that a long time ago. Instead, the ED could substitute mental health
> care increases for her letter to UK donors, for example.
>
> But seriously, what kind of a UK wikimedian or donor is going to be
> offended by a one-size-fits-all-nations letter asking for donors to
> work for single payer in America? What kind of an African, Indian, or
> Chinese Wikipedian wouldn't want American and UK wikipedians to have
> free health care, shorter work weeks, and a more equitable tax and
> transfer incidence?
>
> Best regards,
> Jim
>
> >> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 4:58 PM, Dennis During <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> > I'd reconsider contributing content to WMF projects if WMF became a
> >> > partisan on issues outside its basic remit.
> >> >
> >> > On Jun 15, 2018 16:11, "James Salsman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Regarding https://twitter.com/SuePGardner/status/998302792946102273
> >> >
> >> > I propose that the Executive Director resume regular periodic
> >> > correspondence with donors on other ways they can support the
> >> > movement, beyond copyright and internet law advocacy that the
> >> > Foundation traditionally supports directly and indirectly. In
> >> > particular, I propose that the Executive Director ask donors to
> >> > support other organizations which are working for free college,[1-4]
> >> > single payer universal health care,[5] shorter work weeks,[6-7]
> >> > payroll subsidies,[8] and two-bracket taxation.[9]
> >> >
> >> > I believe all of these goals are favored by wikimedians, for
> >> > wikimedians, I predict at around 80% for the least popular. If there
> >> > is any question I ask that a statistically robust and significant
> >> > survey of the question among community and staff be conducted with the
> >> > urgency commensurate that work in these areas deserves.
> >> >
> >> > Best regards,
> >> > Jim Salsman
> >> >
> >> > [1]
> >> > https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/16/free-community-
> >> college-california_n_6474940.html
> >> >
> >> > [2]
> >> > https://www.treasury.gov/connect/blog/Documents/
> 20121212_Economics%20of%
> >> 20Higher%20Ed_vFINAL.pdf
> >> >
> >> > [3] https://www.docdroid.net/epSjOI2/peracchi2006.pdf
> >> >
> >> > [4] https://www.docdroid.net/joXd2MZ/heckman2006.pdf
> >> >
> >> > [5] https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/1007106802507378689
> >> >
> >> > [6]
> >> > https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/03/does-working-
> >> fewer-hours-make-you-more-productive/
> >> >
> >> > [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workweek_and_weekend#Length
> >> >
> >> > [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_Work_Pay_tax_credit
> >> >
> >> > [9]
> >> > https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1595/12bb30b0ceddfe0525addf777bb2c3
> >> 1542b6.pdf
> >> >
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