Hi Cornelius, Apart from the general discussion about the specific role of AffCom, I really would like to know who is the entity overseeing the AFfCom, so that I can send an official complaint there about what I believe is a fraudulent and out of process sanction. This is not a question for the Roles & Responsibilities WG, as The Land has already noted there.
Since AffCom is an advisory body to the BoT, it doesn't look as if the BoT can or should interfere directly on AffCom. But then, who? At the current light, AffCom is looking as a very much unchecked and extremely powerful entity, taking decisions out of process, in absolute secrecy, and issuing decrees without following even the most basic principles of due process. And this is not a theoretical question, it is a practical one. It affects directly not only affiliates, but also members of the community not connected to any affiliate, as I had not any connection to any of the affiliates involved in that case. And this is not an isolated case. As I told, the accusations made last year by AffCom against WMPT never were substantiated, and when a lawyer finally looked into them, he come out with exactly the same recommendation and request the chapter made itself to the AffCom, before the whole situation even started. So what was behind those accusations, back then? It is very easy and comfortable for the WMF/AffCom to blind everything with the excuse that the evidence is secret, but that is completely out of process, and against the most elementary principles of Human Rights. I want to know who planted this false information at the WMF, and why it was not checked by the WMF, to the point that a secret sanction aganitt me come to be in place (since when? till when? no idea). To who should I complaint about this? Paulo Cornelius Kibelka <cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> escreveu no dia segunda, 6/05/2019 à(s) 14:14: > Hi all, > > I think these are good and relevant questions, but I'd suggest you keep the > discussion where it's best placed – on the talk page of the Roles & > Responsibility scoping document talk page: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/2019_Community_Conversations/Roles_%26_Responsibilities#Role_of_the_AffCom > > Paulo has already started a discussion over there. Kirill, it would be > great if you could add your opinion and experience there as well. > > Best regards > Cornelius > > > On Mon, 6 May 2019 at 15:11, Kiril Simeonovski < > kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > P.S. I would also like to add the other committees in the movement such > > like the grantmaking committees. My first go would be the Board of > Trustees > > but it is better to see if someone who knows exactly can provide more > > details. > > > > Best, > > Kiril > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:03 PM Kiril Simeonovski < > > kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Paulo, > > > > > > This is an excellent question. I am curious to find out that too. > > > > > > Best, > > > Kiril > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:13 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > > > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Actually, I'm not familiar with this specific situation as well, apart > > >> from > > >> having been informed by my affiliate that WMF had informed it I was > > under > > >> some sanction that probably I was unaware of, related to affiliates I > > was > > >> not part of and episotes I do not took part. > > >> > > >> This is an outraging, appalling and unbelievable behavior from the > > >> Wikimedia Foundation in general, and AffCom in particular. I really > > would > > >> like to get to the bottom of this, and more than have it reverted, I > > >> actually want to know who planted the false information about me there > > >> which led to this situation. > > >> > > >> I hope there is some way to effectively and officially demand and > > internal > > >> inquiry inside the Wikimedia Foundation over this situation. > > >> > > >> Best, > > >> Paulo > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Benjamin Ikuta <benjaminik...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia segunda, > > >> 6/05/2019 > > >> à(s) 10:20: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I'm not familiar with this specific situation, but I agree that more > > >> > transparency and accountability would be good. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On May 6, 2019, at 12:40 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta < > > >> paulospern...@gmail.com> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Hello, > > >> > > > > >> > > A few days ago the Wikimedia affiliate I belong to was officially > > >> > informed, > > >> > > by a WMF source, that I'm being subject to a until now unknown > > >> sanction, > > >> > > with an accusation from AffCom I can only describe as baseless and > > >> > > fraudulent, relating to a a situation between two affiliates, > dealt > > >> with > > >> > by > > >> > > AffCom more than one year ago, of which I was never part of, > > occurred > > >> > more > > >> > > than one year ago. I was never informed of this. > > >> > > > > >> > > This is not the first time AffCom engages in this sort of > appalling > > >> > > behavior. As far as I know, WMPT is still waiting for the > > accusations > > >> > made > > >> > > by AffCom last year, which led to its suspension, to be > > substantiated. > > >> > > AffCom never substantiated anything related to that, with the > excuse > > >> of a > > >> > > need for secrecy. > > >> > > > > >> > > How, I ask you all as members of the Movement, how come the > > Wikimedia > > >> > > Movement allowed for such a secretive, arbitrary, apparently > > unchecked > > >> > and > > >> > > very much powerful institution to grow and thrive like this in its > > >> > middle, > > >> > > overseeing and effectively controlling the relation of all of us > > (both > > >> > > affiliates and individuals) and the WMF? > > >> > > > > >> > > More important than that, what can be done about this? Where one > can > > >> > appeal > > >> > > to, when presented with such fraudulent, baseless, secretive, > > >> > > unsubstantiated accusations by a body which was supposed to be > above > > >> all > > >> > > suspicion? > > >> > > > > >> > > Can an internal inquiry be demanded somewhere at the Wikimedia > > >> Foundation > > >> > > over the activities and decisions of AffCom, in the same way we do > > >> with > > >> > > suspicious activity by checkusers and supervisors, with the > > Ombudsman > > >> > > Commission? > > >> > > > > >> > > Looking forward for any help and insight on this, > > >> > > > > >> > > Paulo - DarwIn > > >> > > Wikimedia Portugal > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > >> > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > >> , > > >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > , > > >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > Cornelius Kibelka > Internationale Beziehungen | International Relations > Vorstandsteam | Office of the ED > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin > Tel. 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