Hi James, Thank you very much for your reply and heads-ups. I'll contact you in private, by email, if you don't mind.
Best, Paulo James Heilman <[email protected]> escreveu no dia terça, 7/05/2019 à(s) 00:09: > Hey Paulo > > I imagine many of the board are following this. I am fairly easy to get a > hold of with the "email this user" attached to my user pages. And you can > always leave me a note on Wikipedia itself > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James > > Maria Sefidari and Nataliia Tymkiv are the two WMF board members who > directly oversee Affcom's work. We also have the Wikimedia Foundation Board > noticeboard > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard > > Affcom sends the board a detailed overview of their work each month. I am > not aware of the specifics of your case but will ask for further details. > > Best > James > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:08 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Tomasz, > > > > Thank you very much for the information. It is quite unexpected that the > > Board of Trustees can't be officially reached in any way, and we have to > > try to find our way individually to one and each of the trustees, until > one > > of them accepts the hot potato in their hands (or not). > > > > I wonder how all this got to this point. > > > > Regards, > > Paulo > > > > Tomasz Ganicz <[email protected]> escreveu no dia segunda, 6/05/2019 > > à(s) > > 17:01: > > > > > As far as I know there is no single E-mail address you can contact > Board, > > > but you can try to catch directly any members of the Board who are > still > > > brave enough to provide their personal E-mail... This is not that > > > straightforward as you may expect, but first go here: > > > > > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/board/ > > > > > > than click on any face you may find especially friendly, and then in > some > > > cases (not in all) by clicking links in their description, with some > good > > > luck you may land on the page, where there is some contact information > > :-) > > > > > > Or - much simpler: forget rather useless official WMF website, which is > > > tailored rather to impress than to provide any information, and go to > > > meta: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees > > > > > > where you can find link to meta-userpages of them and then you can > > contact > > > them as usually on wiki. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > pon., 6 maj 2019 o 17:09 Paulo Santos Perneta <[email protected] > > > > > napisał(a): > > > > > > > Hello Tomasz, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your answer. In the hypothesis of being the Board, how > > can > > > > one contact it? I do not see any address I could use listed here: > > > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/contact/ > > > > > > > > I hope at least some of them are reading this mailing list. They can > > get > > > > back to me, in public or private, and I'll send the case for > > > investigation. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Paulo > > > > > > > > Tomasz Ganicz <[email protected]> escreveu no dia segunda, > 6/05/2019 > > > > à(s) > > > > 15:57: > > > > > > > > > It seems that the only body can help with this is WMF Board od > > > Trustees, > > > > as > > > > > Affcom is the advisory committee of the Board, and the Board is the > > top > > > > > body legally responsible for the work of entire WMF. > > > > > > > > > > pon., 6 maj 2019 o 15:39 Paulo Santos Perneta < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cornelius, > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the general discussion about the specific role of > > AffCom, > > > I > > > > > > really would like to know who is the entity overseeing the > AFfCom, > > so > > > > > that > > > > > > I can send an official complaint there about what I believe is a > > > > > fraudulent > > > > > > and out of process sanction. This is not a question for the > Roles & > > > > > > Responsibilities WG, as The Land has already noted there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since AffCom is an advisory body to the BoT, it doesn't look as > if > > > the > > > > > BoT > > > > > > can or should interfere directly on AffCom. But then, who? At the > > > > current > > > > > > light, AffCom is looking as a very much unchecked and extremely > > > > powerful > > > > > > entity, taking decisions out of process, in absolute secrecy, and > > > > issuing > > > > > > decrees without following even the most basic principles of due > > > > process. > > > > > > And this is not a theoretical question, it is a practical one. It > > > > affects > > > > > > directly not only affiliates, but also members of the community > not > > > > > > connected to any affiliate, as I had not any connection to any of > > the > > > > > > affiliates involved in that case. > > > > > > > > > > > > And this is not an isolated case. As I told, the accusations made > > > last > > > > > year > > > > > > by AffCom against WMPT never were substantiated, and when a > lawyer > > > > > finally > > > > > > looked into them, he come out with exactly the same > recommendation > > > and > > > > > > request the chapter made itself to the AffCom, before the whole > > > > situation > > > > > > even started. So what was behind those accusations, back then? > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy and comfortable for the WMF/AffCom to blind > > > everything > > > > > with > > > > > > the excuse that the evidence is secret, but that is completely > out > > of > > > > > > process, and against the most elementary principles of Human > > Rights. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know who planted this false information at the WMF, and > > why > > > > it > > > > > > was not checked by the WMF, to the point that a secret sanction > > > aganitt > > > > > me > > > > > > come to be in place (since when? till when? no idea). > > > > > > > > > > > > To who should I complaint about this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Paulo > > > > > > > > > > > > Cornelius Kibelka <[email protected]> escreveu no > dia > > > > > > segunda, > > > > > > 6/05/2019 à(s) 14:14: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think these are good and relevant questions, but I'd suggest > > you > > > > keep > > > > > > the > > > > > > > discussion where it's best placed – on the talk page of the > > Roles & > > > > > > > Responsibility scoping document talk page: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/2019_Community_Conversations/Roles_%26_Responsibilities#Role_of_the_AffCom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paulo has already started a discussion over there. Kirill, it > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > great if you could add your opinion and experience there as > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > Cornelius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 6 May 2019 at 15:11, Kiril Simeonovski < > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. I would also like to add the other committees in the > > > movement > > > > > such > > > > > > > > like the grantmaking committees. My first go would be the > Board > > > of > > > > > > > Trustees > > > > > > > > but it is better to see if someone who knows exactly can > > provide > > > > more > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Kiril > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:03 PM Kiril Simeonovski < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Paulo, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an excellent question. I am curious to find out > that > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > Kiril > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:13 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Actually, I'm not familiar with this specific situation as > > > well, > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > >> from > > > > > > > > >> having been informed by my affiliate that WMF had informed > > it > > > I > > > > > was > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > >> some sanction that probably I was unaware of, related to > > > > > affiliates > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > >> not part of and episotes I do not took part. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> This is an outraging, appalling and unbelievable behavior > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> Wikimedia Foundation in general, and AffCom in > particular. I > > > > > really > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > >> like to get to the bottom of this, and more than have it > > > > > reverted, I > > > > > > > > >> actually want to know who planted the false information > > about > > > me > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > >> which led to this situation. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> I hope there is some way to effectively and officially > > demand > > > > and > > > > > > > > internal > > > > > > > > >> inquiry inside the Wikimedia Foundation over this > situation. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Best, > > > > > > > > >> Paulo > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Benjamin Ikuta <[email protected]> escreveu no dia > > > > segunda, > > > > > > > > >> 6/05/2019 > > > > > > > > >> à(s) 10:20: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > I'm not familiar with this specific situation, but I > agree > > > > that > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > >> > transparency and accountability would be good. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > On May 6, 2019, at 12:40 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta < > > > > > > > > >> [email protected]> > > > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Hello, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > A few days ago the Wikimedia affiliate I belong to was > > > > > > officially > > > > > > > > >> > informed, > > > > > > > > >> > > by a WMF source, that I'm being subject to a until now > > > > unknown > > > > > > > > >> sanction, > > > > > > > > >> > > with an accusation from AffCom I can only describe as > > > > baseless > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> > > fraudulent, relating to a a situation between two > > > > affiliates, > > > > > > > dealt > > > > > > > > >> with > > > > > > > > >> > by > > > > > > > > >> > > AffCom more than one year ago, of which I was never > part > > > of, > > > > > > > > occurred > > > > > > > > >> > more > > > > > > > > >> > > than one year ago. I was never informed of this. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > This is not the first time AffCom engages in this sort > > of > > > > > > > appalling > > > > > > > > >> > > behavior. As far as I know, WMPT is still waiting for > > the > > > > > > > > accusations > > > > > > > > >> > made > > > > > > > > >> > > by AffCom last year, which led to its suspension, to > be > > > > > > > > substantiated. > > > > > > > > >> > > AffCom never substantiated anything related to that, > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > excuse > > > > > > > > >> of a > > > > > > > > >> > > need for secrecy. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > How, I ask you all as members of the Movement, how > come > > > the > > > > > > > > Wikimedia > > > > > > > > >> > > Movement allowed for such a secretive, arbitrary, > > > apparently > > > > > > > > unchecked > > > > > > > > >> > and > > > > > > > > >> > > very much powerful institution to grow and thrive like > > > this > > > > in > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > >> > middle, > > > > > > > > >> > > overseeing and effectively controlling the relation of > > all > > > > of > > > > > us > > > > > > > > (both > > > > > > > > >> > > affiliates and individuals) and the WMF? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > More important than that, what can be done about this? > > > Where > > > > > one > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > >> > appeal > > > > > > > > >> > > to, when presented with such fraudulent, baseless, > > > > secretive, > > > > > > > > >> > > unsubstantiated accusations by a body which was > supposed > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > above > > > > > > > > >> all > > > > > > > > >> > > suspicion? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Can an internal inquiry be demanded somewhere at the > > > > Wikimedia > > > > > > > > >> Foundation > > > > > > > > >> > > over the activities and decisions of AffCom, in the > same > > > way > > > > > we > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > >> with > > > > > > > > >> > > suspicious activity by checkusers and supervisors, > with > > > the > > > > > > > > Ombudsman > > > > > > > > >> > > Commission? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Looking forward for any help and insight on this, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Paulo - DarwIn > > > > > > > > >> > > Wikimedia Portugal > > > > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > > >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > and > > > > > > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > >> > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > > > >> > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > >> , > > > > > > > > >> > <mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > > >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > and > > > > > > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > >> > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > > > >> > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > >> > <mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > and > > > > > > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > >> New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > > > >> Unsubscribe: > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > >> <mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Cornelius Kibelka > > > > > > > Internationale Beziehungen | International Relations > > > > > > > Vorstandsteam | Office of the ED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 > > Berlin > > > > > > > Tel. 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