Hi Tomasz, Thank you very much for the information. It is quite unexpected that the Board of Trustees can't be officially reached in any way, and we have to try to find our way individually to one and each of the trustees, until one of them accepts the hot potato in their hands (or not).
I wonder how all this got to this point. Regards, Paulo Tomasz Ganicz <[email protected]> escreveu no dia segunda, 6/05/2019 à(s) 17:01: > As far as I know there is no single E-mail address you can contact Board, > but you can try to catch directly any members of the Board who are still > brave enough to provide their personal E-mail... This is not that > straightforward as you may expect, but first go here: > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/board/ > > than click on any face you may find especially friendly, and then in some > cases (not in all) by clicking links in their description, with some good > luck you may land on the page, where there is some contact information :-) > > Or - much simpler: forget rather useless official WMF website, which is > tailored rather to impress than to provide any information, and go to > meta: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees > > where you can find link to meta-userpages of them and then you can contact > them as usually on wiki. > > Good luck, > > > pon., 6 maj 2019 o 17:09 Paulo Santos Perneta <[email protected]> > napisał(a): > > > Hello Tomasz, > > > > Thank you for your answer. In the hypothesis of being the Board, how can > > one contact it? I do not see any address I could use listed here: > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/contact/ > > > > I hope at least some of them are reading this mailing list. They can get > > back to me, in public or private, and I'll send the case for > investigation. > > > > Regards, > > Paulo > > > > Tomasz Ganicz <[email protected]> escreveu no dia segunda, 6/05/2019 > > à(s) > > 15:57: > > > > > It seems that the only body can help with this is WMF Board od > Trustees, > > as > > > Affcom is the advisory committee of the Board, and the Board is the top > > > body legally responsible for the work of entire WMF. > > > > > > pon., 6 maj 2019 o 15:39 Paulo Santos Perneta <[email protected] > > > > > napisał(a): > > > > > > > Hi Cornelius, > > > > > > > > Apart from the general discussion about the specific role of AffCom, > I > > > > really would like to know who is the entity overseeing the AFfCom, so > > > that > > > > I can send an official complaint there about what I believe is a > > > fraudulent > > > > and out of process sanction. This is not a question for the Roles & > > > > Responsibilities WG, as The Land has already noted there. > > > > > > > > Since AffCom is an advisory body to the BoT, it doesn't look as if > the > > > BoT > > > > can or should interfere directly on AffCom. But then, who? At the > > current > > > > light, AffCom is looking as a very much unchecked and extremely > > powerful > > > > entity, taking decisions out of process, in absolute secrecy, and > > issuing > > > > decrees without following even the most basic principles of due > > process. > > > > And this is not a theoretical question, it is a practical one. It > > affects > > > > directly not only affiliates, but also members of the community not > > > > connected to any affiliate, as I had not any connection to any of the > > > > affiliates involved in that case. > > > > > > > > And this is not an isolated case. As I told, the accusations made > last > > > year > > > > by AffCom against WMPT never were substantiated, and when a lawyer > > > finally > > > > looked into them, he come out with exactly the same recommendation > and > > > > request the chapter made itself to the AffCom, before the whole > > situation > > > > even started. So what was behind those accusations, back then? > > > > > > > > It is very easy and comfortable for the WMF/AffCom to blind > everything > > > with > > > > the excuse that the evidence is secret, but that is completely out of > > > > process, and against the most elementary principles of Human Rights. > > > > > > > > I want to know who planted this false information at the WMF, and why > > it > > > > was not checked by the WMF, to the point that a secret sanction > aganitt > > > me > > > > come to be in place (since when? till when? no idea). > > > > > > > > To who should I complaint about this? > > > > > > > > Paulo > > > > > > > > Cornelius Kibelka <[email protected]> escreveu no dia > > > > segunda, > > > > 6/05/2019 à(s) 14:14: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > I think these are good and relevant questions, but I'd suggest you > > keep > > > > the > > > > > discussion where it's best placed – on the talk page of the Roles & > > > > > Responsibility scoping document talk page: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/2019_Community_Conversations/Roles_%26_Responsibilities#Role_of_the_AffCom > > > > > > > > > > Paulo has already started a discussion over there. Kirill, it would > > be > > > > > great if you could add your opinion and experience there as well. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > Cornelius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 6 May 2019 at 15:11, Kiril Simeonovski < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. I would also like to add the other committees in the > movement > > > such > > > > > > like the grantmaking committees. My first go would be the Board > of > > > > > Trustees > > > > > > but it is better to see if someone who knows exactly can provide > > more > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Kiril > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:03 PM Kiril Simeonovski < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Paulo, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an excellent question. I am curious to find out that > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > Kiril > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:13 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Actually, I'm not familiar with this specific situation as > well, > > > > apart > > > > > > >> from > > > > > > >> having been informed by my affiliate that WMF had informed it > I > > > was > > > > > > under > > > > > > >> some sanction that probably I was unaware of, related to > > > affiliates > > > > I > > > > > > was > > > > > > >> not part of and episotes I do not took part. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> This is an outraging, appalling and unbelievable behavior from > > the > > > > > > >> Wikimedia Foundation in general, and AffCom in particular. I > > > really > > > > > > would > > > > > > >> like to get to the bottom of this, and more than have it > > > reverted, I > > > > > > >> actually want to know who planted the false information about > me > > > > there > > > > > > >> which led to this situation. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I hope there is some way to effectively and officially demand > > and > > > > > > internal > > > > > > >> inquiry inside the Wikimedia Foundation over this situation. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Best, > > > > > > >> Paulo > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Benjamin Ikuta <[email protected]> escreveu no dia > > segunda, > > > > > > >> 6/05/2019 > > > > > > >> à(s) 10:20: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > I'm not familiar with this specific situation, but I agree > > that > > > > more > > > > > > >> > transparency and accountability would be good. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > On May 6, 2019, at 12:40 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta < > > > > > > >> [email protected]> > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Hello, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > A few days ago the Wikimedia affiliate I belong to was > > > > officially > > > > > > >> > informed, > > > > > > >> > > by a WMF source, that I'm being subject to a until now > > unknown > > > > > > >> sanction, > > > > > > >> > > with an accusation from AffCom I can only describe as > > baseless > > > > and > > > > > > >> > > fraudulent, relating to a a situation between two > > affiliates, > > > > > dealt > > > > > > >> with > > > > > > >> > by > > > > > > >> > > AffCom more than one year ago, of which I was never part > of, > > > > > > occurred > > > > > > >> > more > > > > > > >> > > than one year ago. I was never informed of this. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > This is not the first time AffCom engages in this sort of > > > > > appalling > > > > > > >> > > behavior. As far as I know, WMPT is still waiting for the > > > > > > accusations > > > > > > >> > made > > > > > > >> > > by AffCom last year, which led to its suspension, to be > > > > > > substantiated. > > > > > > >> > > AffCom never substantiated anything related to that, with > > the > > > > > excuse > > > > > > >> of a > > > > > > >> > > need for secrecy. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > How, I ask you all as members of the Movement, how come > the > > > > > > Wikimedia > > > > > > >> > > Movement allowed for such a secretive, arbitrary, > apparently > > > > > > unchecked > > > > > > >> > and > > > > > > >> > > very much powerful institution to grow and thrive like > this > > in > > > > its > > > > > > >> > middle, > > > > > > >> > > overseeing and effectively controlling the relation of all > > of > > > us > > > > > > (both > > > > > > >> > > affiliates and individuals) and the WMF? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > More important than that, what can be done about this? > Where > > > one > > > > > can > > > > > > >> > appeal > > > > > > >> > > to, when presented with such fraudulent, baseless, > > secretive, > > > > > > >> > > unsubstantiated accusations by a body which was supposed > to > > be > > > > > above > > > > > > >> all > > > > > > >> > > suspicion? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Can an internal inquiry be demanded somewhere at the > > Wikimedia > > > > > > >> Foundation > > > > > > >> > > over the activities and decisions of AffCom, in the same > way > > > we > > > > do > > > > > > >> with > > > > > > >> > > suspicious activity by checkusers and supervisors, with > the > > > > > > Ombudsman > > > > > > >> > > Commission? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Looking forward for any help and insight on this, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Paulo - DarwIn > > > > > > >> > > Wikimedia Portugal > > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and > > > > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > >> > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > >> > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > >> , > > > > > > >> > <mailto:[email protected] > > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and > > > > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > >> > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > >> > Unsubscribe: > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > , > > > > > > >> > <mailto:[email protected] > > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > >> New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > >> Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > , > > > > > > >> <mailto:[email protected] > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Cornelius Kibelka > > > > > Internationale Beziehungen | International Relations > > > > > Vorstandsteam | Office of the ED > > > > > > > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin > > > > > Tel. 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