I think it is important that the WMF is taking the question of harassment seriously. If the community processes are not adequate, it is not an incorrect response to take direct action to protect the individuals that are being harassed. Ideally, community processes should be improved and WMF can give a hint, but it would be too much to expect the victim to continue to be harassed while the long discussion around changing community processes takes place.
As I understand, community health is an important element of the on-going strategy work and WMF has repeatedly drawn attention to solving the issue of harassment on wiki[1], so it is not like they have not told the communities that this is an issue that should be dealt with or that the community discussions needed to empower the communities to do so are not happening at all. Best regards, Bence [1] https://blog.wikimedia.org/tag/harassment/ On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 17:36, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > This misses the point, as others have highlighted already. > > The WMF can and /should/ globally and permanently ban paedophiles, > terrorists, system hackers and people making multiple cross-wiki death > threats or threats of suicide. There are perfectly good and > understandable reasons as to why the evidence behind these attacks and > threats would be kept unpublished, it's seriously personal or criminal > stuff. > > The WMF making topic bans, interaction bans and limited project > specific bans against Wikipedians is a brand new invention, which goes > against the pre-existing understanding that the WMF do not replace > existing and perfectly adequate community agreed procedures for > banning bad behaviour on our projects. Once full time WMF employees > start doing in parallel what volunteer administrators already do, then > we should question why we do not *pay* volunteers administrators the > same hourly rate and we are likely to see a mass exodus of > administrators. After all, would you, say, deliver the post for free > in your area for fun, but thereby take away decent full time > employment with a guaranteed pension for your local postie? > > If the reason for the WMF stepping in to ban Fram for a year is > because the WMF do not trust Wikipedia administrators or Wikipedia's > Arbcom to take sensible action in harassment cases, then they should > be raising that honestly and openly with Arbcom. If the English > Wikipedia's policies are not fit for purpose, or implementation of > policy is incompetent, we need a much bigger discussion than whether > Fram did something so terrible it cannot be named, but oddly was not > worth a global ban but only the equivalent of a 12 month block on > Wikipedia while they are free to do whatever they feel like on other > Wikimedia projects. > > Fae > -- > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 15:35, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > When you bad mouth other users there should be, and will be, > consequences. > > An admin got desysoped and banned after repeated warnings? So what? The > > only ting to be learned is that some people believe they can do whatever > > they want and it has no consequences, and other people goes ballistic > when > > consequences happen. > > > > I would have given desysoped fram and 14 days to cool off, and if that > did > > not work out repeated with one month. Banning someone for one year is > like > > telling them to leave and don't come back. Someone at WMF is clearly > overly > > sensitive, but not reacting would also be wrong. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
