At this point, it certainly looks like that. That, and the "f*** Arbcom" thing. If you know otherwise, please explain.
Paulo David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia sexta, 14/06/2019 à(s) 11:37: > and you're *seriously* positing that the WMF would ban an admin for > doing only what you describe? > > On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:32, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The only case of "harassment" apparently cited here was "I kept writing > > garbage articles, and someone kept flagging them as garbage! Harassment! > > Bad!" > > > > If you don't want your articles to be flagged as garbage, FIND YOUR > SOURCES > > PRIOR TO WRITING THEM, AND CITE THEM. That's rather a requirement anyway. > > The editor in question repeatedly failed to do that, repeatedly had her > > articles flagged for failure to do that, and regarded that as > "harassment" > > rather than her own failure to follow the English Wikipedia's policies. > > Next time, she needs to find the sources first, and write the article > only > > after she has them in hand. > > > > Todd > > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 10:14 AM Robert Fernandez < > wikigamal...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > If someone is able to harass someone for years and nothing is done then > > > clearly community procedures are not “perfectly adequate” > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 11:36 AM Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > This misses the point, as others have highlighted already. > > > > > > > > The WMF can and /should/ globally and permanently ban paedophiles, > > > > terrorists, system hackers and people making multiple cross-wiki > death > > > > threats or threats of suicide. There are perfectly good and > > > > understandable reasons as to why the evidence behind these attacks > and > > > > threats would be kept unpublished, it's seriously personal or > criminal > > > > stuff. > > > > > > > > The WMF making topic bans, interaction bans and limited project > > > > specific bans against Wikipedians is a brand new invention, which > goes > > > > against the pre-existing understanding that the WMF do not replace > > > > existing and perfectly adequate community agreed procedures for > > > > banning bad behaviour on our projects. Once full time WMF employees > > > > start doing in parallel what volunteer administrators already do, > then > > > > we should question why we do not *pay* volunteers administrators the > > > > same hourly rate and we are likely to see a mass exodus of > > > > administrators. After all, would you, say, deliver the post for free > > > > in your area for fun, but thereby take away decent full time > > > > employment with a guaranteed pension for your local postie? > > > > > > > > If the reason for the WMF stepping in to ban Fram for a year is > > > > because the WMF do not trust Wikipedia administrators or Wikipedia's > > > > Arbcom to take sensible action in harassment cases, then they should > > > > be raising that honestly and openly with Arbcom. If the English > > > > Wikipedia's policies are not fit for purpose, or implementation of > > > > policy is incompetent, we need a much bigger discussion than whether > > > > Fram did something so terrible it cannot be named, but oddly was not > > > > worth a global ban but only the equivalent of a 12 month block on > > > > Wikipedia while they are free to do whatever they feel like on other > > > > Wikimedia projects. > > > > > > > > Fae > > > > -- > > > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > > > > > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 15:35, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When you bad mouth other users there should be, and will be, > > > > consequences. > > > > > An admin got desysoped and banned after repeated warnings? So > what? The > > > > > only ting to be learned is that some people believe they can do > > > whatever > > > > > they want and it has no consequences, and other people goes > ballistic > > > > when > > > > > consequences happen. > > > > > > > > > > I would have given desysoped fram and 14 days to cool off, and if > that > > > > did > > > > > not work out repeated with one month. Banning someone for one year > is > > > > like > > > > > telling them to leave and don't come back. Someone at WMF is > clearly > > > > overly > > > > > sensitive, but not reacting would also be wrong. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
