I do not think any of the present or recent past arb com members are at all bothered by insults, however unjustified. People involved in arb cases often tend to get emotional and even a little irrational. We just ignore them.
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 7:37 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > At this point, it certainly looks like that. That, and the "f*** Arbcom" > thing. If you know otherwise, please explain. > > Paulo > > David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia sexta, 14/06/2019 à(s) > 11:37: > > > and you're *seriously* positing that the WMF would ban an admin for > > doing only what you describe? > > > > On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:32, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > The only case of "harassment" apparently cited here was "I kept writing > > > garbage articles, and someone kept flagging them as garbage! > Harassment! > > > Bad!" > > > > > > If you don't want your articles to be flagged as garbage, FIND YOUR > > SOURCES > > > PRIOR TO WRITING THEM, AND CITE THEM. That's rather a requirement > anyway. > > > The editor in question repeatedly failed to do that, repeatedly had her > > > articles flagged for failure to do that, and regarded that as > > "harassment" > > > rather than her own failure to follow the English Wikipedia's policies. > > > Next time, she needs to find the sources first, and write the article > > only > > > after she has them in hand. > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 10:14 AM Robert Fernandez < > > wikigamal...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > If someone is able to harass someone for years and nothing is done > then > > > > clearly community procedures are not “perfectly adequate” > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 11:36 AM Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > This misses the point, as others have highlighted already. > > > > > > > > > > The WMF can and /should/ globally and permanently ban paedophiles, > > > > > terrorists, system hackers and people making multiple cross-wiki > > death > > > > > threats or threats of suicide. There are perfectly good and > > > > > understandable reasons as to why the evidence behind these attacks > > and > > > > > threats would be kept unpublished, it's seriously personal or > > criminal > > > > > stuff. > > > > > > > > > > The WMF making topic bans, interaction bans and limited project > > > > > specific bans against Wikipedians is a brand new invention, which > > goes > > > > > against the pre-existing understanding that the WMF do not replace > > > > > existing and perfectly adequate community agreed procedures for > > > > > banning bad behaviour on our projects. Once full time WMF employees > > > > > start doing in parallel what volunteer administrators already do, > > then > > > > > we should question why we do not *pay* volunteers administrators > the > > > > > same hourly rate and we are likely to see a mass exodus of > > > > > administrators. After all, would you, say, deliver the post for > free > > > > > in your area for fun, but thereby take away decent full time > > > > > employment with a guaranteed pension for your local postie? > > > > > > > > > > If the reason for the WMF stepping in to ban Fram for a year is > > > > > because the WMF do not trust Wikipedia administrators or > Wikipedia's > > > > > Arbcom to take sensible action in harassment cases, then they > should > > > > > be raising that honestly and openly with Arbcom. If the English > > > > > Wikipedia's policies are not fit for purpose, or implementation of > > > > > policy is incompetent, we need a much bigger discussion than > whether > > > > > Fram did something so terrible it cannot be named, but oddly was > not > > > > > worth a global ban but only the equivalent of a 12 month block on > > > > > Wikipedia while they are free to do whatever they feel like on > other > > > > > Wikimedia projects. > > > > > > > > > > Fae > > > > > -- > > > > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 15:35, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When you bad mouth other users there should be, and will be, > > > > > consequences. > > > > > > An admin got desysoped and banned after repeated warnings? So > > what? The > > > > > > only ting to be learned is that some people believe they can do > > > > whatever > > > > > > they want and it has no consequences, and other people goes > > ballistic > > > > > when > > > > > > consequences happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have given desysoped fram and 14 days to cool off, and if > > that > > > > > did > > > > > > not work out repeated with one month. Banning someone for one > year > > is > > > > > like > > > > > > telling them to leave and don't come back. 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