Sorry dropped footnote #[6] while sending: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Timeline
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) Community Brand and Marketing coordinator Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 10:22 AM Samir Elsharbaty <selsharb...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hi, the Brand team has been watching the RfC and has written a summary > about it [1] that was shared both in the RfC [2] and the project page [3] > in Meta. The team has integrated the feedback of the RfC in the development > process, just as we did with the activities organized by the project > itself. > > The RfC is covered in the main project page as well as in the FAQ [4]. The > RfC has been a recurrent topic of discussion in the Brand project talk page > [5], where we are answering questions and discussing topics whenever they > are posted. We recommend you to have a look at these updates before making > further conclusions here. > > The RfC is about the use of the word “Wikipedia” in the name of the > Foundation, and by extension the names of affiliates were discussed as > well. The project team has clarified that many options for a naming > convention are being explored. While having Wikipedia as a central concept > is a project requirement, It is very unlikely that any naming convention > proposal will be based on a simple substitution of the word "Wikimedia" > with the word "Wikipedia". Brand systems offer many more possibilities. > > Another important point to clarify is that the proposals for naming > conventions haven’t been defined yet. According to the project timeline > [6], several proposals for a naming convention will be shared with the > communities for feedback in May, at the earliest. At the end of this > review, one proposal will be selected and refined. You can check the > timeline to learn about further phases with public reviews before the full > proposal for a brand system is presented to the Wikimedia Foundation > leadership and the Board. > > [1] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/RfC_Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia > > [2] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia#Report_about_this_RfC_by_the_Brand_Project_team > > [3] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project > > [4] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/FAQ > > [5] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project > > > > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> > > > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 1:12 AM David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes. Who's the person telling Samir to post this stuff, which comes >> across as aggressively ignoring all feedback to date? Could we have a >> word with them here? >> >> >> - d. >> >> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 14:12, Peter Southwood >> <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: >> > >> > When you speak for someone who is hard of listening, it is an >> occupational hazard that you will be shouted at occasionally by those whose >> voices are being ignored. It is not necessarily anything personal, just >> part of the heat in the kitchen. >> > Cheers, >> > Peter >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On >> Behalf Of Yaroslav Blanter >> > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:28 AM >> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement? >> > >> > In all honesty, this should not have been directed at Samir. I do not >> think >> > he has the authority to stop the process. And whoever has probably >> spends >> > more time in Twitter that in Wikimedia projects. >> > >> > Best >> > Yaroslav >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:12 AM Tito Dutta <trulyt...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > There is something called [[WP:IDHT,]] i.e. I didn't hear that. >> > > No matter how many times, how many people (90% in the RFC) speak, I >> just >> > > didn't hear that. >> > > Kind regards, >> > > (Comment in personal capacity) >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > >> > > >> > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 00:15, Samir Elsharbaty < >> selsharb...@wikimedia.org> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi All, >> > > > >> > > > We wanted to follow up with a brief update on the project timeline >> and >> > > > share an invitation to join an event this month. >> > > > >> > > > We know there continues to be so much uncertainty in the world, so >> we are >> > > > slowing down the process of the project. Big changes are happening >> to all >> > > > of us these days. We want to make sure that we respect the time and >> > > > priorities of the project collaborators. This means updating the >> project >> > > > timeline approach to have more flexibility for participants and >> smaller >> > > > time commitments [1], revising the project schedule month by month >> and >> > > > keeping the Brand Network [2] and other participants informed on a >> more >> > > > regular basis with any updates and changes. The naming discussions >> > > planned >> > > > for April are now pushed to May, at the earliest. Design proposals >> are >> > > > likewise shifted +4 weeks. >> > > > >> > > > But we do have things to share: >> > > > >> > > > *This month: live brand concept presentation!* >> > > > >> > > > To honor, celebrate, and conclude the work around the concepts >> referred >> > > to >> > > > in Essie’s email above [3], Snohetta and the Brand Project team will >> > > > present the Unified Concept LIVE on 16 April, 15:00 - 16:00 GMT. >> Snøhetta >> > > > will explain how they used the ideas, feedback and conceptual >> models from >> > > > the workshops and online exercises to arrive at a final, unified >> concept. >> > > > This unified concept will be the foundation for the upcoming work >> around >> > > > the naming conventions, visual decisions, and the overall design >> system. >> > > > The session will also be recorded and made available for viewing >> after. >> > > You >> > > > can join us using these links. [4] Note: this is not a presentation >> of a >> > > > proposal for a naming convention or design. >> > > > >> > > > Thank you! >> > > > >> > > > Samir and the brand project team >> > > > >> > > > [1] >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Timeline >> > > > >> > > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brand_Network >> > > > >> > > > [3] https://brandingwikipedia.org/concepts/ >> > > > >> > > > [4] Join via Zoom: >> > > > >> > > > https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/769565325 >> > > > >> > > > Steam via Youtube Live: >> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q >> > > > >> > > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) >> > > > >> > > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator >> > > > >> > > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:32 AM David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > The article itself is spammy brochure-style nonsense, and this is >> even >> > > > > after some cleanup. Editorial eyes welcomed. >> > > > > >> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_(company) >> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_%28company%29> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > - d. >> > > > > >> > > > > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 23:16, Samir Elsharbaty >> > > > > <selsharb...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi everyone, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address the >> concerns >> > > > and >> > > > > > questions around Snøhetta and the English Wikipedia, and have >> now >> > > added >> > > > > an >> > > > > > FAQ about it. [1] Please refer there for the full details about >> the >> > > > block >> > > > > > and what is being done. The project team is in the process of >> > > updating >> > > > > the >> > > > > > project materials, including the FAQ, so feel free to add those >> pages >> > > > to >> > > > > > your watchlist to stay up to date on the latest information. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Best, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Samir >> > > > > > >> > > > > > [1] https://w.wiki/LEF >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This does have feeling of a company creating a financial >> > > relationship >> > > > > with >> > > > > > > the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community ban >> thats >> > > > been >> > > > > > > reviewed already. Over the years I've worked with many >> users who >> > > > been >> > > > > > > blocked and help them become productive contributors but >> before >> > > they >> > > > > start >> > > > > > > making recommendation or decisions about who we are there >> needs to >> > > be >> > > > > > > something done to get them back to good standing with the >> community >> > > > > first >> > > > > > > untiil thats taken place. It's like asking the fox to >> rebuild >> > > the >> > > > > hen >> > > > > > > house, I just dont see how I could support anything they >> > > recommend. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been pumped >> into >> > > the >> > > > > 2030 >> > > > > > > strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as it is that >> should >> > > > have >> > > > > > > been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its >> > > > comprehensible >> > > > > not >> > > > > > > to have known or explored that before deciding where, how, >> why we >> > > > will >> > > > > be >> > > > > > > doing anything for the next 10 years. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com >> > >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Particularly as they've demonstrated by their actions an >> > > > > unwillingness >> > > > > > > > to work with Wikipedia properly: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive318#Review_of_User:Sn%C3%B8hettaAS_block_please >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - d. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood >> > > > > > > > <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I would agree with this in principle. From what I have >> seen so >> > > > > far, it >> > > > > > > > looks like either Snøhetta have not done their homework on >> how we >> > > > > > > operate, >> > > > > > > > or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care, and >> plan >> > > to >> > > > > spin >> > > > > > > > their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages with >> lots >> > > of >> > > > > buzz, >> > > > > > > > little content and all the dialogue they can't avoid. Maybe >> I am >> > > > > wrong, >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from the >> outside? >> > > > > Block >> > > > > > > > evasion does not bode well for their understanding of the >> > > > community. >> > > > > > > > > Cheers, >> > > > > > > > > Peter >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto: >> > > > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] >> > > > > On >> > > > > > > > Behalf Of Pine W >> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM >> > > > > > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a >> > > > movement? >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hello, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed >> > > > personally >> > > > > at >> > > > > > > > > you, Essie. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta >> deserved >> > > the >> > > > > > > > > community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good steward >> of >> > > > > resources >> > > > > > > > > (all of which are questionable), I don't think that this >> > > project >> > > > > is a >> > > > > > > > > good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important >> component of >> > > the >> > > > > > > > > Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF >> rebranding >> > > > > itself as >> > > > > > > > > the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the >> communities >> > > > and >> > > > > > > > > affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance >> > > problems, >> > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > occasional high profile clashes with the community. I >> don't >> > > think >> > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't involve >> > > > Snøhetta >> > > > > > > > > given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia, >> and I've >> > > > > been >> > > > > > > > > unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during >> the past >> > > > few >> > > > > > > > > months. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with >> this >> > > > > program >> > > > > > > > > in its current form. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Given the choice, I would freeze this project and spending >> > > > > associated >> > > > > > > > > with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the community's view >> on >> > > > > whether >> > > > > > > > > this project should continue. 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