In all honesty, this should not have been directed at Samir. I do not think he has the authority to stop the process. And whoever has probably spends more time in Twitter that in Wikimedia projects.
Best Yaroslav On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:12 AM Tito Dutta <trulyt...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is something called [[WP:IDHT,]] i.e. I didn't hear that. > No matter how many times, how many people (90% in the RFC) speak, I just > didn't hear that. > Kind regards, > (Comment in personal capacity) > > Thanks > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 00:15, Samir Elsharbaty <selsharb...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > We wanted to follow up with a brief update on the project timeline and > > share an invitation to join an event this month. > > > > We know there continues to be so much uncertainty in the world, so we are > > slowing down the process of the project. Big changes are happening to all > > of us these days. We want to make sure that we respect the time and > > priorities of the project collaborators. This means updating the project > > timeline approach to have more flexibility for participants and smaller > > time commitments [1], revising the project schedule month by month and > > keeping the Brand Network [2] and other participants informed on a more > > regular basis with any updates and changes. The naming discussions > planned > > for April are now pushed to May, at the earliest. Design proposals are > > likewise shifted +4 weeks. > > > > But we do have things to share: > > > > *This month: live brand concept presentation!* > > > > To honor, celebrate, and conclude the work around the concepts referred > to > > in Essie’s email above [3], Snohetta and the Brand Project team will > > present the Unified Concept LIVE on 16 April, 15:00 - 16:00 GMT. Snøhetta > > will explain how they used the ideas, feedback and conceptual models from > > the workshops and online exercises to arrive at a final, unified concept. > > This unified concept will be the foundation for the upcoming work around > > the naming conventions, visual decisions, and the overall design system. > > The session will also be recorded and made available for viewing after. > You > > can join us using these links. [4] Note: this is not a presentation of a > > proposal for a naming convention or design. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Samir and the brand project team > > > > [1] > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Timeline > > > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brand_Network > > > > [3] https://brandingwikipedia.org/concepts/ > > > > [4] Join via Zoom: > > > > https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/769565325 > > > > Steam via Youtube Live: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q > > > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) > > > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator > > > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:32 AM David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > The article itself is spammy brochure-style nonsense, and this is even > > > after some cleanup. Editorial eyes welcomed. > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_(company) > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_%28company%29> > > > > > > > > > - d. > > > > > > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 23:16, Samir Elsharbaty > > > <selsharb...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address the concerns > > and > > > > questions around Snøhetta and the English Wikipedia, and have now > added > > > an > > > > FAQ about it. [1] Please refer there for the full details about the > > block > > > > and what is being done. The project team is in the process of > updating > > > the > > > > project materials, including the FAQ, so feel free to add those pages > > to > > > > your watchlist to stay up to date on the latest information. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > [1] https://w.wiki/LEF > > > > > > > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) > > > > > > > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator > > > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > This does have feeling of a company creating a financial > relationship > > > with > > > > > the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community ban thats > > been > > > > > reviewed already. Over the years I've worked with many users who > > been > > > > > blocked and help them become productive contributors but before > they > > > start > > > > > making recommendation or decisions about who we are there needs to > be > > > > > something done to get them back to good standing with the community > > > first > > > > > untiil thats taken place. It's like asking the fox to rebuild > the > > > hen > > > > > house, I just dont see how I could support anything they > recommend. > > > > > > > > > > After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been pumped into > the > > > 2030 > > > > > strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as it is that should > > have > > > > > been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its > > comprehensible > > > not > > > > > to have known or explored that before deciding where, how, why we > > will > > > be > > > > > doing anything for the next 10 years. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Particularly as they've demonstrated by their actions an > > > unwillingness > > > > > > to work with Wikipedia properly: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive318#Review_of_User:Sn%C3%B8hettaAS_block_please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood > > > > > > <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would agree with this in principle. From what I have seen so > > > far, it > > > > > > looks like either Snøhetta have not done their homework on how we > > > > > operate, > > > > > > or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care, and plan > to > > > spin > > > > > > their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages with lots > of > > > buzz, > > > > > > little content and all the dialogue they can't avoid. Maybe I am > > > wrong, > > > > > and > > > > > > they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from the outside? > > > Block > > > > > > evasion does not bode well for their understanding of the > > community. > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto: > > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Pine W > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM > > > > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a > > movement? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed > > personally > > > at > > > > > > > you, Essie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta deserved > the > > > > > > > community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good steward of > > > resources > > > > > > > (all of which are questionable), I don't think that this > project > > > is a > > > > > > > good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important component of > the > > > > > > > Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF rebranding > > > itself as > > > > > > > the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the communities > > and > > > > > > > affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance > problems, > > > and > > > > > > > occasional high profile clashes with the community. I don't > think > > > that > > > > > > > the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't involve > > Snøhetta > > > > > > > given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia, and I've > > > been > > > > > > > unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during the past > > few > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with this > > > program > > > > > > > in its current form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given the choice, I would freeze this project and spending > > > associated > > > > > > > with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the community's view on > > > whether > > > > > > > this project should continue. 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