Hoi, Florence I totally agree that proper internatonalisation, localisation is key. What is key for me is that this already provides an easy and obvious search function for mediafiles that have a link to a Wikidata item. Just to stress the point, this is a wiki, we do not need a fully functional search engine (for all the Commons files); that is what we aspire to that is what we work towards.. That will take years. But with a proper search tool, a tool that makes it EASY to use Commons, it may fool me into using Commons for my blog.
To show you that it works, I just looked for "baisikeli <https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/baisikeli#Swahili>" and made a screenshot [1]. The screenshot is with other files showing the evolution of this tool in a Commons category [2] Important to notice is that the tool DOES invite you to localise the labels to French, Swahili et al for best results!! A minor observation, there are all kinds of things that could change in the user interface. Key is that this is a prototype. It is showing us how we can make Commons work for us. Thanks, GerardM [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Appelmoes3.png [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Hay%27s_SDSEARCH On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 01:21, Florence Devouard <[email protected]> wrote: > > Le 24/05/2020 à 00:23, Erik Moeller a écrit : > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:10 AM Gerard Meijssen > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hay Kranen created a proof of concept where Commons is searched for > >> pictures that (per standard) use a "depicts" statement. > > This is a beautiful proof of concept; thank you for sharing it, > > Gerard, and thank you, Hay, for developing it. It really illustrates > > the power and importance of the Structured Data efforts. > > > > To pick a different example, imagine that you want to illustrate an > > article about the importance of wheelchair accessibility at your > > university. You might try a major search engine like Google Images. > > Try replacing the word "wheelchair" with translations in other > > languages. Note how the result sets are different, and how you may get > > a much smaller set of results in languages with a smaller Internet > > presence. > > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=wheelchair&tbm=isch (English) > > https://www.google.com/search?q=kitimaguru&tbm=isch (Swahili, far less > > relevant and smaller set) > > > > In contrast, the use of Wikidata items means that, as long as a label > > exists for a given language, you can search in _any_ language and get > > the same images: > > > > https://tools.wmflabs.org/hay/sdsearch/#q=haswbstatement:P180=Q191931 > > > > The fact that the UI of this tool is currently English is an > > implementation detail; even with Hay's implementation, you can type in > > "kitimaguru" and get the same results as in English. > > > Sorry Erik, but I do not follow you here... > > For some reasons, it is true for "kitimaguru", but if I search for > "lamp" (EN) versus "lampe" (FR), or "key" (English) versus "clé" > (French), I really do not get the same results at all and of course, it > does not proposes me the same Qs. > > I love that functionality, do not get me wrong, I am delighted to see it. > > But except for English speakers (and now Dutch speakers it seems), it > can not be used. > > So wonderful proof of concept. But please... let's have all languages here > ! > > Florence > > > > > > It would be wonderful to see this functionality developed further, and > > to ultimately make this kind of search functionality central to the > > user experience for Wikimedia Commons, so that speakers of any > > language are given _meaningful_ access to freely reusable media. > > > > Warmly, > > > > Erik > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
