Hoi,
Two more localisations became available, one for German and one for
Swedish. I have asked Alolita if she would help us with a localisation in
an Indian language. Anthere, would you be so kind and reach out so that we
have a localisation in an African language as well.. (French would also be
good to have :) )
In the mean time I have linked pictures of the kakapoa to its Wikidata
item, you can search for it in Maori.
For me the point of this proof of concept is that we already can expose
material in any of our languages. We can make this available and promote
the addition of "depicts" statements in Commons and labels in Wikidata. In
a true Wiki way it brings additional functionality to any and all of our
users.. It will improve over time.
When we are to know the extend of its usefulness, we need continuous
statistics (we have them for Reasonator as well, just as an example).
Thanks,
GerardM
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 07:33, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hoi,
> Florence I totally agree that proper internatonalisation, localisation is
> key. What is key for me is that this already provides an easy and obvious
> search function for mediafiles that have a link to a Wikidata item. Just to
> stress the point, this is a wiki, we do not need a fully functional search
> engine (for all the Commons files); that is what we aspire to that is what
> we work towards.. That will take years. But with a proper search tool, a
> tool that makes it EASY to use Commons, it may fool me into using Commons
> for my blog.
>
> To show you that it works, I just looked for "baisikeli
> <https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/baisikeli#Swahili>" and made a screenshot
> [1]. The screenshot is with other files showing the evolution of this tool
> in a Commons category [2]
>
> Important to notice is that the tool DOES invite you to localise the
> labels to French, Swahili et al for best results!!
>
> A minor observation, there are all kinds of things that could change in
> the user interface. Key is that this is a prototype. It is showing us how
> we can make Commons work for us.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Appelmoes3.png
> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Hay%27s_SDSEARCH
>
> On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 01:21, Florence Devouard <anth...@anthere.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Le 24/05/2020 à 00:23, Erik Moeller a écrit :
>> > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:10 AM Gerard Meijssen
>> > <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hay Kranen created a proof of concept where Commons is searched for
>> >> pictures that (per standard) use a "depicts" statement.
>> > This is a beautiful proof of concept; thank you for sharing it,
>> > Gerard, and thank you, Hay, for developing it. It really illustrates
>> > the power and importance of the Structured Data efforts.
>> >
>> > To pick a different example, imagine that you want to illustrate an
>> > article about the importance of wheelchair accessibility at your
>> > university. You might try a major search engine like Google Images.
>> > Try replacing the word "wheelchair" with translations in other
>> > languages. Note how the result sets are different, and how you may get
>> > a much smaller set of results in languages with a smaller Internet
>> > presence.
>> >
>> > https://www.google.com/search?q=wheelchair&tbm=isch (English)
>> > https://www.google.com/search?q=kitimaguru&tbm=isch (Swahili, far less
>> > relevant and smaller set)
>> >
>> > In contrast, the use of Wikidata items means that, as long as a label
>> > exists for a given language, you can search in _any_ language and get
>> > the same images:
>> >
>> > https://tools.wmflabs.org/hay/sdsearch/#q=haswbstatement:P180=Q191931
>> >
>> > The fact that the UI of this tool is currently English is an
>> > implementation detail; even with Hay's implementation, you can type in
>> > "kitimaguru" and get the same results as in English.
>>
>>
>> Sorry Erik, but I do not follow you here...
>>
>> For some reasons, it is true for "kitimaguru", but if I search for
>> "lamp" (EN) versus "lampe" (FR), or "key" (English) versus "clé"
>> (French), I really do not get the same results at all and of course, it
>> does not proposes me the same Qs.
>>
>> I love that functionality, do not get me wrong, I am delighted to see it.
>>
>> But except for English speakers (and now Dutch speakers it seems), it
>> can not be used.
>>
>> So wonderful proof of concept. But please... let's have all languages
>> here !
>>
>> Florence
>>
>>
>> >
>> > It would be wonderful to see this functionality developed further, and
>> > to ultimately make this kind of search functionality central to the
>> > user experience for Wikimedia Commons, so that speakers of any
>> > language are given _meaningful_ access to freely reusable media.
>> >
>> > Warmly,
>> >
>> > Erik
>> >
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