β¦ hence the existence of Wikimedia chapters? I suspect at least WMDE could take this on if it becomes necessary, although other chapters arenβt as technologically developed as Iβd have liked to have seen.
Thanks, Mike > On 30 Sep 2020, at 19:35, Steven Walling <steven.wall...@gmail.com> wrote: > > SJ hinted at a related problem which is that we'd also need a backup > organizational structure to run things operationally and legally. If the US > becomes so politically unstable that hosting Wikimedia data is under threat > there, just moving the data would not be enough. You'd also have to include > a contingency plan that foresaw the need to legally operate the Foundation > (or an equivalent organization anyway) under a different jurisdiction > with corporate officers not subject to US law or extradition. If the > servers are hosted in the EU but the legally controlling body and its > employees are within the US, you could still see them legally forced to > comply with an order, just like companies are forced to do so in > other countries with censorious regimes today. > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:59 AM Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We should have technical partners in multiple other jurisdictions that >> could help in a crisis, and load bearing infrastructure in at least one of >> them, and a plan for how and when to switch. (The walkthrough of what would >> be needed for a smooth transfer send most important, and useful for general >> reliability planning) >> >> We should also fully support and realize Wikimedia-on-ipfs, similar to what >> the internet archive had been doing. (Santhosh has some excellent ideas >> there) >> >> ππππ >> >> On Wed., Sep. 30, 2020, 5:35 a.m. Dan Garry (Deskana), <djgw...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 09:49, Erik Moeller <eloque...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I hope that some preliminary contingency plans exist or are being >>>> developed, and I'm sure that the movement-wide debate will widen if >>>> the US continues its downward slide into authoritarianism. >>>> >>> >>> I agree with Erik. Even under the Obama administration, there were >> threats >>> to the existence of the movement, such as SOPA [1] which lead to a >> blackout >>> [2]. One can extrapolate from current events that these threats could >> well >>> get larger and more frequent, rather than smaller and less frequent, >> should >>> someone in the US Government decide to focus their attention on attacking >>> Wikipedia and free knowledge. It would be prudent to create a contingency >>> plan which includes an exploration of other options for a location of >>> operation for the Wikimedia Foundation and/or its servers, with their >>> advantages and disadvantages. I personally wouldn't necessarily advocate >>> for making the plan public; that would be ideal, but I'd be comforted >>> merely to know it exists. >>> >>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 23:36, Joseph Seddon <josephsed...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I believe options are going to be explored for sustainability but right >>> now >>>> legally speaking the US is the best jurisdiction for hosting us now and >>> the >>>> foreseeable future. >>>> >>> >>> I agree with this too. For now, the United States remains the best place >>> for the organisation to operate out of, and a move should not be actively >>> considered. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act >>> [2]: >>> >>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA#Wikimedia_community >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
