Dear Ramzy, I wanted to acknowledge your eloquent post (for anyone who hasn't read it, please do – DeepL and Google Translation do a really decent job), and in particular your concern about the lack of representation of South East Asian communities in movement governance.
But I would also like to share one thought about the importance of leadership: it's that I think Wikimedians are not particularly keen on having leaders to follow. Projects like Wikipedia, Wiktionary and so on grew precisely because there *was* no leadership. They provided a space free of pre-imposed leadership. This is what attracted people: you could do something, contribute something, without having to ask an authority figure for permission. People were *trusted*, not *led*. This being so, I believe leadership is of limited value in terms of growing participation in line with this volunteer model. Kind regards, Andreas On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:27 PM Ramzy Muliawan <muhammadara...@gmail.com> wrote: > Pertama-tama saya ingin mengucapkan terima kasih yang setinggi-tingginya > kepada Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan yang telah menghasilkan > definisi ini. Saya pikir ini satu langkah maju yang diperlukan untuk > mendorong implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan mengenai penanaman > modal dalam pembinaan keterampilan dan kepemimpinan. > > Berkebalikan dengan respon-respon negatif yang diterima oleh prakarsa ini, > saya rasa mendefinisikan bentuk kepemimpinan yang diperlukan oleh gerakan > Wikimedia secara luas adalah sesuatu yang sudah semestinya kita miliki, > sebagai sebuah gerakan antarabangsa yang memiliki jaringan dan struktur > tata kelola yang rumit, saling terkait, dan mengandalkan waktu para > sukarelawan yang berharga. > > Diskusi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan terutama sekali bersifat mendesak > untuk wilayah gerakan Wikimedia yang tidak pernah, atau kurang sekali, > terwakili dalam tata kelola gerakan secara global. Saya berbicara tentang > wilayah asal saya, rantau Asia Tenggara dan Pasifik, yang memiliki tingkat > keberagaman proyek Wikimedia yang sangat tinggi, barangkali hanya dapat > disaingi oleh beberapa wilayah lain dalam gerakan; organisasi-organisasi > mitra lokal yang aktif; dan basis penyunting maupun pasar pembaca yang > terus berkembang seiring dengan penetrasi Internet yang semakin mendalam. > Meski wilayah ini memiliki status-status sedemikian, Wikimediawan/wati dari > rantau Asia Tenggara tidak pernah ada yang berhasil duduk di Dewan Pengawas > Yayasan Wikimedia, dan keterwakilan dari rantau ini sangat terbatas pada > badan-badan tata kelola gerakan seperti Komite Afiliasi, Komite Bahasa, > bahkan badan yang saat ini bertugas untuk merumuskan piagam gerakan. Hal > ini tentu saja tidak dapat dijelaskan secara tunggal melalui "kecelakaan > sejarah", tetapi akan jauh lebih mudah untuk melihatnya dari lensa > kurangnya penanaman modal dan komitmen jangka panjang untuk urusan > kepemimpinan ini. > > Kerja-kerja ini tidak akan selesai dalam waktu dekat, dan tidak akan > menghasilkan suatu hasil akhir yang dapat memuaskan seluruh pihak yang > memiliki kepentingan dalam gerakan Wikimedia. Namun, apa yang dapat kita > lakukan tentu saja adalah mencoba terlebih dahulu. Masalah-masalah seperti > yang saya sebutkan di atas, dalam konteks rantau asal saya namun juga saya > tahu terjadi pada beberapa wilayah lain, tidak akan selesai dengan saling > menuding dan mempermasalahkan apakah kerja-kerja ini perlu dilakukan atau > tidak. > > Saya mengajak para Wikimediawan/wati yang memiliki perhatian khusus pada > hal ini untuk turut serta membantu Kelompok Kerja dalam diskusi yang > penting ini. > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 14:29 Peter Southwood <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> > wrote: > >> I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter >> >> >> >> *From:* Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* 16 September 2022 20:48 >> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List >> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is >> ready for community feedback! >> >> >> >> Dear Ivan, >> >> >> >> I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, >> and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected >> under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – >> given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be >> largely negative. >> >> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group >> >> >> >> It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we >> spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here? >> >> >> >> Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while >> back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"? >> >> >> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/7UVDBQTEWTR3ZNYLEP5TWAOVHF372OEL/#YRALVPPHAWMMATDUSUTZVBHG2CXOKAU6 >> >> >> >> To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be >> pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying, >> >> >> >> "Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is >> defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours >> – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out >> people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and >> 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems >> to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!" >> >> >> >> He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where >> he posted. >> >> >> >> It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – >> but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public >> enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the >> best navel-gazing tradition. >> >> >> >> Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if >> someone feels like enlightening me, please do! >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Andreas >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez <gala...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership >> Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share >> your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy >> Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at >> leadershipworkinggr...@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected >> till October 6, 2022. >> >> >> >> Hello everyone! >> >> >> >> I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has >> been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture >> the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group >> (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different >> communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform >> the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for >> community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written >> after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community >> perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and >> distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition. >> >> >> >> Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you >> think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general >> definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, >> qualities, and outcomes of good leadership. >> >> >> >> There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and >> comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement >> Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at >> leadershipworkinggr...@wikimedia.org. >> >> >> >> You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with >> your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, >> maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft >> definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, >> linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your >> thoughts with us. >> >> >> >> Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive >> leadership! >> >> >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> >> [1] Link to the draft definition on meta >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content> >> >> [2] Link to meta talk page >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group> >> >> [3] Link to the feedback form <https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA> >> >> [4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post >> <https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404> >> >> >> [5] Link to the meta page of LDWG >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Iván Martínez* >> >> *Voluntario - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid * >> >> // Mis comunicaciones respecto a Wikipedia/Wikimedia pueden tener una >> moratoria en su atención debido a que es un voluntariado. >> // Ayuda a proteger a Wikipedia, dona ahora: https://donate.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HBXEEEEPUTHPIJBI5XAPB4ME4EE2O7LA/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> >> [image: width=] >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >> >> Virus-free.www.avg.com >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/XD6EN2N5EIXC22SHB5H3DSFLBBTZE2AY/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/VDQBBQ44DRPQPKS4ECQYNAZUACDKSDTH/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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