With respect to OWID, one can see the interactive graphs working within a mediawiki environment here <https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:OWID>. Our hope for next steps to get around the current blockers is to show a static version of the graph from Commons with a play button overlay. When the play button is hit a consent pop up similar to what you see for maps on Wikivoyage <https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Cranbrook> when you request a layer such as "relief maps". This will then bring in the corresponding interactive content hosted from the wmcloud <https://owidm.wmcloud.org/grapher/share-of-population-with-schizophrenia>. While this be acceptable to the powers that be? I am not sure.
With VideoWiki we have been able to create some higher quality content with a partner at MyUpchar. The text was written by us, the individual short animations were done by them, and then the tool combines it all together with text to speech. Hope to get the tool working again soon: https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Video:Tuberculosis On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 1:56 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > I think we are mixing two different topics here, which are two different > problems we should solve: > > We have series of problems regarding video upload, some of them technical > (codecs, uploading process...) and other social (how to know if the video > is freely licensed, etc). Both are interesting issues, and we should have a > plan to solve them. Still, there are videos uploaded and used in Wikipedia. > Technically, it is even possible to make a video portal, take a look to: > https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari:Hezkuntza/Ikusgela > <https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari:Hezkuntza/Ikusgela>. But videos are > not, by definition, more interactive than audios, images or text. Videos > are still passive content: you play them in the same way you could hear an > audio sample or just read a text. > > When I talk about interactive content, I'm talking about content that can > be manipulated by the reader: > > - Take a look to OurWorldInData climate change graphs and charts ( > https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/climate-change). These are freely > licensed, we could have them in articles, but we can't because there are > road blocks for this to happen ( > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T303853). > - Take a look to brilliant and how to learn geometry there : > https://brilliant.org/courses/geometry-fundamentals/?from_topic=geometry > <https://brilliant.org/courses/geometry-fundamentals/?from_topic=geometry>. > You can just learn geometry manipulating objects, learning directly how > changing a parameter changes the result. > - Now take a look to this material by NASA: > > https://moon.nasa.gov/moon-in-motion/phases-eclipses-supermoons/moon-phases/. > You can explore the moon phase with a slider, but for us this is completely > impossible (there are more interactive features here: > https://moon.nasa.gov/interactives/). > - Now take a look to this 3D interactive models: > https://sketchfab.com/juanbrualla <https://sketchfab.com/juanbrualla>. > There are many more, and some of them are directly under cc-by license, but > we can't use them because we can't render 3D objects with textures ( > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T246901). > - Do you want to learn about equations? Wikipedia is not the best > starting point, as math articles are normally complex. But we could have > this: https://www.desmos.com/calculator. No, is not going to happen > because we are going in the opposite direction. There are more great > examples of graphic calculators in https://www.desmos.com/ or > https://www.geogebra.org/. Now we have some GeoGebra created videos in > Commons, even if there are some users who have tried to delete them: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GeoGebra. Is to say, > instead of adding a graphic calculator, we add the video of someone using > it, losing all the interactivity of the learning process. > - This is a vertical video in the project Ikusgela: > https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitxategi:Ikusgela-Tupustarriak.webm. It > has subtitles, but we can't add more information than that, even if we have > the script with links, because adding links to subtitles is not allowed. > Now imagine you can annotate this audio by JFK to add context and links to > what he is saying: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jfk_berlin_address_high.ogg > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jfk_berlin_address_high.ogg>. > - Now, this is the timeline of symphonies by Beethoven, with audio, > from Wikidata: https://w.wiki/8$jk. The good news is that we can see > it. The bad news is that we can't embed it in any article. Which is > extremely weird, because both are our projects. > > > So, we have two different problems. Video playing is quite evident. But > lack of interactivity will add to the cost, because there are other > platforms doing it way better. > > I would really like to have an answer by the WMF. > > Thanks > > Galder > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ivan Martínez <gala...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2024 8:25 AM > *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are > doing it wrong > > It is not difficult to do something that is already happening. By > referring to encyclopedic videos I am talking about multimedia that can > enrich existing content. I understand your point, it's a bit like what > happened with the project of reading recorded Wikipedia articles that after > years seem obsolete. > > What I am referring to is all that multimedia material that is visual, > that can be made into video to complement articles. The process you mention > is complicated, but not impossible, in fact, there are many of us editors > who have all those skills already implemented in the projects. > > El vie, 26 ene 2024 a las 12:06, geni (<geni...@gmail.com>) escribió: > > On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 at 22:24, Ivan Martínez <gala...@gmail.com> wrote: > > By not having a Youtube 2.0 we are avoiding a Wikipedia 2.0 with pure > encyclopaedic videos. I see a false dilemma there. > > > Creating good encyclopaedic videos is from a video production point of > view a far harder problem that dealing with the technical hurdles in > uploading video to commons. Going to take a lot of effort in > scripting, shooting, lighting and editing. And having your editor of > choice render the final project in a wikipedia friendly format should > not present a problem (and if it does handbrake exists). > > I really doubt we will ever get much in the way of encyclopaedic > videos on our platforms since they take so much time and cost so much > to make that they are only viable at scale from people who can do it > at as a full time job. Youtubers find ways to do that through adsense, > sponsor spots and Patreon. Not really something you can do on > wikipedia. > > > -- > geni > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/F7HLTFUUFIW2MI3XH3UQO2TNHAKZITNS/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > -- > *Iván Martínez* > > *Voluntario - Wikimedia México A.C. 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