I do like the "Wikiminia" title!

But on conferences and meetups generally, I think we need to look
realistically at the value for money when we set up these events.  The bare
fact of the matter is that setting up an event in Australia is expensive.
 Accommodation, venues, and most importantly travel costs are very high by
international standards.  So before we start thinking about having more
symposiums, conferences, and other get-togethers, we really need to ask
ourselves if that is the most cost effective way to achieve whatever it is
that we're looking to do.  Are the higher costs justified by the benefit of
having face-to-face communication?

The answer of course may be "yes", but that needs to be quantified before
we go and start inviting people.  And to my mind the best way to approach
it is not to decide to have a "real life" event, and then fill it with
various programmes, but to decide what it is we want to achieve as an
organisation, and then hold an event if that is the most sensible way to
achieve those goals.

Craig Franklin

On 21 July 2013 08:43, Leigh Blackall <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agreed.  Also,  at least one of the International events: Wikimania,
> offers support for travel already. But targeting funds for the purposes you
> outline seems a good idea.
> Speaking of Wikimania... and linking to the WAJER idea, but ignoring the
> "chinwagging" perspective,  how about ab annual event called Wikiminia?
> Bringing together datahackers, local real work community groups, and
> wikiheads, mostly to celebrate, issue awards, dream big, eat and chinwag,
> but on a local outreach scale. Hosting such a thing is taking another
> financial incentive open to academics too.. They are recognised andpossibly
> rewarded for four publishing in WAJER and presenting at Wikiminia. I
> volunteer to help organise.
> On 21/07/2013 8:00 AM, "Kerry Raymond" <kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Tony1 has made some comments about the 2014 Annual Plan:****
>> ** **
>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan****
>> ** **
>> and I hope we will be hearing more from others!****
>> ** **
>> In regard to his comment about WMAU being represented at international
>> events, it’s probably worth a broader discussion of some of the issues here.
>> ****
>> ** **
>> In 2013, we didn't budget any money for participation in international
>> community events, precisely because we (the committee) were doubtful about
>> the benefits from “chinwagging” relative to the costs. However, that has
>> been interpreted by others as not engaging with the broader community, etc.
>> In particular we had a certain amount of criticism for not being
>> represented at the Chapters Conference.****
>> ** **
>> The other issue here is that, despite all the electronic means of
>> communication, people still seem to need face-to-face meetings (and, in
>> particular, the act of eating together) to build trust and goodwill; this
>> is something that I have seen so many times in my years in international
>> standards development (even though almost all the people I worked with were
>> IT people and hence those who one might think most able to work effectively
>> electronically). And trust/goodwill is important when it comes to getting
>> money, so it may be that an international airfare for some carefully-chosen
>> event (meaning "who" will be there) might be an excellent investment. So
>> that's why it's on the list of possibilities for discussion.****
>> ** **
>> Kerry****
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