Leigh, feel free to point me at these instructional videos (there's stuff I
would love to learn personally as well as making those links more available
to others). I did go looking once and found some on a Wikipedia site
(probably on outreach, can't remember) but they seemed to be all broken


Certainly we would not be proposing to reinvent the wheel if there was
perfectly good material already there. There might be some minor
"Australian" content we could add but it would be very minor (mainly about
referencing key Austrlian resources)





From: Leigh Blackall [mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:57 AM
To: kerry.raym...@gmail.com
Cc: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org; WMAu members
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and the
larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG


Is this suggestion because we are dissatisfied with the dozens if not
hundreds and thousands of instructional videos already available? Maybe the
suggestion is for Australian accent and language versions? A series in an
Indigenous language would be remarkable! Or perhaps the suggestion is to
create videos about Australia related projects and interest groups? In which
case its a good suggestion. I for one would benefit from a video overview of
the things going on. I have a few videos on my channel outlining Wikiversity
work. And know of others looking at Wikinews.

On 21/07/2013 8:44 AM, "Kerry Raymond" <kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:





Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training and/or
to replace it. He asks is "is it too ambitious"? Because of the WMF's
enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards "low-hanging
fruit" projects. 


Edit training workshops are a good example of this "low hanging" fruit
problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we
know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain
attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training
(based on feedback forms) - so that's a nice measurable success for a nice
project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into
instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially reach
a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200 people
we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be absolutely
zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is much higher
(we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit training.


Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the Australian WP
community for our edit training workshops as our library partners like to
run these events on weekdays (incompatible with people's work lives). Would
we find it more-or-less easy to get people to prepare instructional videos
which they could at 3am in their pyjamas if they wanted? I don't know. What
are the relative costs? Well, edit training generally has travel costs, but
we'd probably need to spend some money on professional tools for making
instructional videos (screen-capture and video-editing software) and perhaps
some training on how to use them effectively.


So what do we do? Low-risk/return edit training workshop or
higher-risk/return edit training videos? Of course in the ideal world of
infinite resources we can do both, but we don't live in that world
("everything costs something" as my former Vice-Chancellor used to say).


Aside. In regard to edit training in any form, we have a practical problem
in relation to the progressive rollout of increasing functionality of the
visual editor. This impacts on our existing edit training workshop materials
(slides and manuals) and would impact on the preparation of videos. But my
question here is more philosophical about the risk/return model of what we








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