hmm many of those will need to be redone/duplicated with the changes to visual editor
On 21 July 2013 14:14, Kerry Kilner <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for this reference, Leigh! > > Kerry Kilner > > > On 21/07/2013, at 3:59 PM, Leigh Blackall <[email protected]> wrote: > > There are a few on the Wikiversity page I maintain for workshops: > <http://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_editing_workshops> > http://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_editing_workshops > > If need be I'll forward a YouTube playlist > On 21/07/2013 3:03 PM, "Kerry Raymond" < <[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> **** >> >> Leigh, feel free to point me at these instructional videos (there’s stuff >> I would love to learn personally as well as making those links more >> available to others). I did go looking once and found some on a Wikipedia >> site (probably on outreach, can’t remember) but they seemed to be all >> broken links.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Certainly we would not be proposing to reinvent the wheel if there was >> perfectly good material already there. There might be some minor >> “Australian” content we could add but it would be very minor (mainly about >> referencing key Austrlian resources)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Kerry**** >> >> ** ** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Leigh Blackall [mailto: <[email protected]> >> [email protected]] >> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:57 AM >> *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] >> *Cc:* <[email protected]> >> [email protected]; WMAu members >> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos >> and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Is this suggestion because we are dissatisfied with the dozens if not >> hundreds and thousands of instructional videos already available? Maybe the >> suggestion is for Australian accent and language versions? A series in an >> Indigenous language would be remarkable! Or perhaps the suggestion is to >> create videos about ****Australia**** related projects and interest >> groups? In which case its a good suggestion. I for one would benefit from a >> video overview of the things going on. I have a few videos on my channel >> outlining Wikiversity work. And know of others looking at Wikinews.**** >> >> On 21/07/2013 8:44 AM, "Kerry Raymond" < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote:**** >> >> In **** >> >> **** >> >> <http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal> >> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal >> **** >> >> **** >> >> Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training >> and/or to replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the >> WMF’s enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards >> “low-hanging fruit” projects. **** >> >> **** >> >> Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit >> problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we >> know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain >> attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training >> (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice >> project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into >> instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially >> reach a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200 >> people we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be >> absolutely zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is >> much higher (we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit >> training.**** >> >> **** >> >> Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the Australian >> WP community for our edit training workshops as our library partners like >> to run these events on weekdays (incompatible with people’s work lives). >> Would we find it more-or-less easy to get people to prepare instructional >> videos which they could at 3am in their pyjamas if they wanted? I don’t >> know. What are the relative costs? Well, edit training generally has travel >> costs, but we’d probably need to spend some money on professional tools for >> making instructional videos (screen-capture and video-editing software) and >> perhaps some training on how to use them effectively.**** >> >> **** >> >> So what do we do? Low-risk/return edit training workshop or >> higher-risk/return edit training videos? Of course in the ideal world of >> infinite resources we can do both, but we don’t live in that world >> (“everything costs something” as my former Vice-Chancellor used to say).* >> *** >> >> **** >> >> Aside. In regard to edit training in any form, we have a practical >> problem in relation to the progressive rollout of increasing functionality >> of the visual editor. This impacts on our existing edit training workshop >> materials (slides and manuals) and would impact on the preparation of >> videos. But my question here is more philosophical about the risk/return >> model of what we do.**** >> >> **** >> >> Kerry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >> <[email protected]>[email protected] >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l**** >> > -- GN. 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