Yep,  the paradox of investing in software instruction by video. Best
stimulate user generated video in YouTube.
On 21/07/2013 4:17 PM, "Gnangarra" <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hmm many of those will need to be redone/duplicated with the changes to
> visual editor
>
> On 21 July 2013 14:14, Kerry Kilner <k.kil...@uq.edu.au> wrote:
>
>>  Thanks for this reference, Leigh!
>>
>> Kerry Kilner
>>
>>
>> On 21/07/2013, at 3:59 PM, Leigh Blackall <leighblack...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>   There are a few on the Wikiversity page I maintain for workshops: 
>> <http://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_editing_workshops>
>> http://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_editing_workshops
>>
>> If need be I'll forward a YouTube playlist
>> On 21/07/2013 3:03 PM, "Kerry Raymond" < <kerry.raym...@gmail.com>
>> kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Leigh, feel free to point me at these instructional videos (there’s
>>> stuff I would love to learn personally as well as making those links more
>>> available to others). I did go looking once and found some on a Wikipedia
>>> site (probably on outreach, can’t remember) but they seemed to be all
>>> broken links.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Certainly we would not be proposing to reinvent the wheel if there was
>>> perfectly good material already there. There might be some minor
>>> “Australian” content we could add but it would be very minor (mainly about
>>> referencing key Austrlian resources)****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Kerry****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Leigh Blackall [mailto: <leighblack...@gmail.com>
>>> leighblack...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:57 AM
>>> *To:*  <kerry.raym...@gmail.com>kerry.raym...@gmail.com
>>> *Cc:*  <wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org; WMAu members
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos
>>> and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Is this suggestion because we are dissatisfied with the dozens if not
>>> hundreds and thousands of instructional videos already available? Maybe the
>>> suggestion is for Australian accent and language versions? A series in an
>>> Indigenous language would be remarkable! Or perhaps the suggestion is to
>>> create videos about ****Australia**** related projects and interest
>>> groups? In which case its a good suggestion. I for one would benefit from a
>>> video overview of the things going on. I have a few videos on my channel
>>> outlining Wikiversity work. And know of others looking at Wikinews.****
>>>
>>> On 21/07/2013 8:44 AM, "Kerry Raymond" < <kerry.raym...@gmail.com>
>>> kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:****
>>>
>>> In ****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal>
>>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal
>>> ****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training
>>> and/or to replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the
>>> WMF’s enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards
>>> “low-hanging fruit” projects. ****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit
>>> problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we
>>> know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain
>>> attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training
>>> (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice
>>> project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into
>>> instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially
>>> reach a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200
>>> people we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be
>>> absolutely zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is
>>> much higher (we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit
>>> training.****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the
>>> Australian WP community for our edit training workshops as our library
>>> partners like to run these events on weekdays (incompatible with people’s
>>> work lives). Would we find it more-or-less easy to get people to prepare
>>> instructional videos which they could at 3am in their pyjamas if they
>>> wanted? I don’t know. What are the relative costs? Well, edit training
>>> generally has travel costs, but we’d probably need to spend some money on
>>> professional tools for making instructional videos (screen-capture and
>>> video-editing software) and perhaps some training on how to use them
>>> effectively.****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> So what do we do? Low-risk/return edit training workshop or
>>> higher-risk/return edit training videos? Of course in the ideal world of
>>> infinite resources we can do both, but we don’t live in that world
>>> (“everything costs something” as my former Vice-Chancellor used to say).
>>> ****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Aside. In regard to edit training in any form, we have a practical
>>> problem in relation to the progressive rollout of increasing functionality
>>> of the visual editor. This impacts on our existing edit training workshop
>>> materials (slides and manuals) and would impact on the preparation of
>>> videos. But my question here is more philosophical about the risk/return
>>> model of what we do.****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Kerry****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
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