Yep, the paradox of investing in software instruction by video. Best stimulate user generated video in YouTube. On 21/07/2013 4:17 PM, "Gnangarra" <[email protected]> wrote:
> hmm many of those will need to be redone/duplicated with the changes to > visual editor > > On 21 July 2013 14:14, Kerry Kilner <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks for this reference, Leigh! >> >> Kerry Kilner >> >> >> On 21/07/2013, at 3:59 PM, Leigh Blackall <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> There are a few on the Wikiversity page I maintain for workshops: >> <http://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_editing_workshops> >> http://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_editing_workshops >> >> If need be I'll forward a YouTube playlist >> On 21/07/2013 3:03 PM, "Kerry Raymond" < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> **** >>> >>> Leigh, feel free to point me at these instructional videos (there’s >>> stuff I would love to learn personally as well as making those links more >>> available to others). I did go looking once and found some on a Wikipedia >>> site (probably on outreach, can’t remember) but they seemed to be all >>> broken links.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Certainly we would not be proposing to reinvent the wheel if there was >>> perfectly good material already there. There might be some minor >>> “Australian” content we could add but it would be very minor (mainly about >>> referencing key Austrlian resources)**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Kerry**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Leigh Blackall [mailto: <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]] >>> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:57 AM >>> *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] >>> *Cc:* <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]; WMAu members >>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos >>> and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Is this suggestion because we are dissatisfied with the dozens if not >>> hundreds and thousands of instructional videos already available? Maybe the >>> suggestion is for Australian accent and language versions? A series in an >>> Indigenous language would be remarkable! Or perhaps the suggestion is to >>> create videos about ****Australia**** related projects and interest >>> groups? In which case its a good suggestion. I for one would benefit from a >>> video overview of the things going on. I have a few videos on my channel >>> outlining Wikiversity work. And know of others looking at Wikinews.**** >>> >>> On 21/07/2013 8:44 AM, "Kerry Raymond" < <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]> wrote:**** >>> >>> In **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> >>> <http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal> >>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training >>> and/or to replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the >>> WMF’s enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards >>> “low-hanging fruit” projects. **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit >>> problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we >>> know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain >>> attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training >>> (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice >>> project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into >>> instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially >>> reach a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200 >>> people we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be >>> absolutely zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is >>> much higher (we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit >>> training.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the >>> Australian WP community for our edit training workshops as our library >>> partners like to run these events on weekdays (incompatible with people’s >>> work lives). Would we find it more-or-less easy to get people to prepare >>> instructional videos which they could at 3am in their pyjamas if they >>> wanted? I don’t know. What are the relative costs? Well, edit training >>> generally has travel costs, but we’d probably need to spend some money on >>> professional tools for making instructional videos (screen-capture and >>> video-editing software) and perhaps some training on how to use them >>> effectively.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> So what do we do? Low-risk/return edit training workshop or >>> higher-risk/return edit training videos? Of course in the ideal world of >>> infinite resources we can do both, but we don’t live in that world >>> (“everything costs something” as my former Vice-Chancellor used to say). >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Aside. In regard to edit training in any form, we have a practical >>> problem in relation to the progressive rollout of increasing functionality >>> of the visual editor. This impacts on our existing edit training workshop >>> materials (slides and manuals) and would impact on the preparation of >>> videos. But my question here is more philosophical about the risk/return >>> model of what we do.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Kerry**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >>> <[email protected]>[email protected] >>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l**** >>> >> > > > -- > GN. > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > Gn. Blogg: http://gnangarra.wordpress.com
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