Hi Ashwin! Please don't use the word "fiasco", yes we had seen some setbacks but it's not a complete failure. It's really demotivating for the people who were a part of IEP (me included).
Thanks, Ram On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.bain...@gmail.com>wrote: > Often, it helps to have an outsider perspective. We in the Pune community > met Torey to day and are of the opinion that the Foundation wants someone > from their side to provide an impartial outsider's view and also to explore > ways ahead in addition to finding out whats going on and what had happened. > > Obviously, her assignment is just one of a number of initiatives that are > underway to improve/get feedback regarding the IEP fiasco. > > > Warm regards, > > Ashwin Baindur > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Barry Newstead >> <bnewst...@wikimedia.org>wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Thanks for the engagement on the questions that should be tacked in this >>> evaluation. See inline for a brief response to Theo's question about Tory >>> Read. >>> >>> Best, >>> Barry >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Theo10011 <de10...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I really didn't read the entire thread to have a lot of comments, I >>>> just have one point I noticed that I wanted to ask - Why is Tory Read >>>> conducting the "evaluative study"? >>>> >>>> As I recall, her only exposure to India and Wikipedia before this was >>>> the research project. And even that had nothing to do with the Education >>>> program directly. Is there a reason why she's leading the study? >>>> >>>> It seems like the same pattern of avoiding knowledgeable >>>> and experienced members of the community to focus on the "outside >>>> perspective". I thought the only lesson that the team did take away was, >>>> you can't do in India what the global education team and Frank did in the >>>> US. They don't scale and you need local solutions. >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure Ms. Read is a competent researcher and would do a good >>>> job but I don't see how Ms. Read's expertise or exposure to India and the >>>> Education program would make this process any different from the pattern >>>> that brought IEP here. Talking to the staff in SF, or spending a day in >>>> Delhi or Pune is not going to give a clear picture at all. >>>> >>> >>> Tory is indeed a competent researcher who built a solid understanding of >>> the community and how things work in Wikimedia during her engagement with >>> us in the India Chronicles. I selected her for this assignment because she >>> has a good working knowledge of our general situation from her work on the >>> India Chronicles, she has the skills to interview a good cross-section of >>> those involved (WP editors, students, profs, Campus Ambassadors, online >>> ambassadors, staff, others), she can look at the issue with fresh eyes and >>> help synthesize learning and recommendations for changes, she will get this >>> done in a timely fashion while memories are still fresh (which is really >>> important). >>> >>> She is doing a combination of Skype, email and in-person >>> interviews...and is in Pune this week actually. I'm confident that her work >>> will be valuable to all of us and it will be shared in its entirety with >>> the community. It won't be the only work on this. Both the India team and >>> the Global Education Program team are committed to doing more joint >>> problem-solving on future changes to the program with those interested in >>> engaging with us. >>> >>> >> Hi Barry, >> >> My understanding is that conducting an evaluative study requires a deep >> comprehension of our projects and the volunteers. At the same time, an >> exercise like this demands objectivity while analyzing empirical evidence. >> >> By building a repertoire of anecdotal evidence through a series of >> interviews mostly conducted over phone/VoIP, I do not see how this report >> will inform us beyond what discussions on this mailing list already have. >> >> Tory Read is an accomplished story-teller, but she is not a Wikipedian. >> Can we simply not have WMF staff in New Delhi handle the interviews and >> requests for comment? (They should also seek help from some of the >> established Wikipedia editors.) >> >> The reason why I am stressing on this is because I think that an >> established Wikipedia editor would be better-placed to objectively analyze >> what worked and what did not work, and how this program may be improved. >> Such editors need not be Indian, they can be a group of Wikipedians who >> were directly or peripherally involved on Wikipedia when the IEP program >> was being executed. >> >> Best, >> anirudh >> >> >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindiafirstname.lastname@example.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindiaemail@example.com >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindiafirstname.lastname@example.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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